Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[Ivtrix]

Or maybe it has something to do with the actual content of your criticism.
Thankfully I don't have the memory of a goldfish so here are some gems (slightly paraphrased):

• Shiva Unreal is a failure, I can't beat the enrage in PF so the content is bad
• Savage is badly designed, making me play properly to beat the enrage is fake difficulty
• Boss mechanics that can actually kill me are bad design
• I can't find practice groups for savage and it's the game's fault...no I'm not going to make a practice party myself
• The Masked Carnivale is Some of the Worst Content in FFXIV

Makes sense why their lodestone indicates a certain 3rd party website is hidden

[AlexiaD]

Or maybe it has something to do with the actual content of your criticism.
Thankfully I don't have the memory of a goldfish so here are some gems (slightly paraphrased):

• Shiva Unreal is a failure, I can't beat the enrage in PF so the content is bad
• Savage is badly designed, making me play properly to beat the enrage is fake difficulty
• Boss mechanics that can actually kill me are bad design
• I can't find practice groups for savage and it's the game's fault...no I'm not going to make a practice party myself
• The Masked Carnivale is Some of the Worst Content in FFXIV

Lmao love the call out on all of these, I remember some of these complaints, they gave me a good laugh tbh, it's all down to skill issue, but they'd rather make a thread and complain about it instead of improving

[Absurdity]

Makes sense why their lodestone indicates a certain 3rd party website is hidden

I honestly couldn't care less what colour their number on the site-that-shall-not-be-named is. There are some genuine criticisms to be made about that content, "I can't beat the fights therefore they're bad" just isn't one of them.

[Renathras]

Taking the first half...

/sigh

I'm tired of participating in a derail, but the short version is what I said before: When people tell you your interpretation of what they said is wrong, listen to them.

As to the three points, btw; they never said (2) and (3) is irrelevant since everyone gets a say in the game AND not every veteran agrees with you - I've been playing since 2014 and am a vet by any definition of the term in use here. Granted, I don't totally disagree (as I voiced and quoted myself saying a number of times now), people just like to ignore that part.

Except her whining is actually most our whining and complaints about the game, so what does that exactly say abouy us and the current state of the game?

"Most of you" is not "Most of us". People - on both sides, mind - overstate who they're speaking for.

Be antagonistic somewhere else

This could be said to almost everyone who has posted in this thread...

Also I never expressed that the EW patches were perfect. I have defended a lot of the content but I always said that they couldve done its implementation better.

Yeah, I think that's honestly the most fair take.

Weirdly enough I just saw an asmongold clip that was posted a few hours ago that's applicable here....people who don't play the game a lot are out of touch and people who play it all the time are out of touch...and people whos make it their job to play the game you will never understand the average player...i find that to be pretty on point in this instance.

Yeah, the problem is, this IS very true...which makes it hard to really have any kind of constructive conversation. When everyone's looking for ways to discount other people's viewpoints, it leads to no compromises or resolutions. And the real silly thing about it is, this game is big enough for everyone. It can have all kinds of content to appeal to all kinds of players simultaneously without really stepping on anyone's toes. It's only people insisting all-or-nothing has to be for them and discounting anyone disagreeing them with <insert varied insults> that it becomes problematic. It doesn't help people seem more prone to insult than not.

Like I think EW has been lacking and have said plenty in this thread (and others) what I think it's been lacking on. But because I don't like people just saying "FFXIV is garbage" or attacking players, somehow, I'm a "white knight" "shill" who "worship's Yoshi P". Like...do middle grounds/shades of gray not exist in people's world?

[Axxion]

Or maybe it has something to do with the actual content of your criticism.
Thankfully I don't have the memory of a goldfish so here are some gems (slightly paraphrased):

• Shiva Unreal is a failure, I can't beat the enrage in PF so the content is bad
• Savage is badly designed, making me play properly to beat the enrage is fake difficulty
• Boss mechanics that can actually kill me are bad design
• I can't find practice groups for savage and it's the game's fault...no I'm not going to make a practice party myself
• The Masked Carnivale is Some of the Worst Content in FFXIV

this to me just sums up the response

[Supersnow845]

As to the three points, btw; they never said (2)

having the new side content no require you to spend hours a day grinding to cap this or grind out completions of this fate over and over is a net positive.

Do you even read the original posts of the people in situations like this or do you just see “big angry forum mob disagrees with someone I must white knight them no matter the cost” or are you now going to tell me them saying it’s “not good” does not mean it’s “bad” because they said “not good” instead of “bad”

As for the main point, you still haven’t offered a single viable way what that OP said could be interpreted any way besides the way I said; we are back to the “acshooly I never said the sky wasn’t blue I said the sky was green” and then acting like that is a valid response to someone calling you out for saying the sky is green

And as I have pointed out before the OP didn’t even refute my interpretation, they said I quoted them wrong

[OdinelStarrei]

Or maybe it has something to do with the actual content of your criticism.
Thankfully I don't have the memory of a goldfish so here are some gems (slightly paraphrased):

• Shiva Unreal is a failure, I can't beat the enrage in PF so the content is bad
• Savage is badly designed, making me play properly to beat the enrage is fake difficulty
• Boss mechanics that can actually kill me are bad design
• I can't find practice groups for savage and it's the game's fault...no I'm not going to make a practice party myself
• The Masked Carnivale is Some of the Worst Content in FFXIV

Just going to post this again.



Look, I know I said earlier that "polarization is bad" and all that, but there's something to be said about being REALLY hostile in EVERY post you make, and then being upset that people are really not a fan of you. It's not being a victim of bullying, it's a critical lack of self-awareness, self-reflection, and just not giving off excess amounts of edgy contrarian teenager energy.

People you hate, can in fact, have opinions that you agree with, that's okay. You don't have to wholeheartedly hate and generalize people who you have never met because they do things you cannot, it's a bit weird, honestly.

No one cares about logs in this context, I'm not recruiting them for content. I'd rather deal with a pleasant individual with "skill issues" and a willingness to learn, and accept faults, than a human machine with an antagonistic personality and ego who can't do anything but dish out cool one-liners that prove just how "above" they are of all the rabble.

[Renathras]

Do you even read the original posts of the people...

Show me the words "grinding is in general bad" in that post.

As I say, I think an issue we have - because you do this to me, too - is you read into posts things people didn't explicitly say. Then, when people tell you "I didn't say/mean that", you insist they must have and refuse to let it go.

...but you REALLY need to stop lying. "you still haven't offered a single viable way..." I GAVE YOU THREE:

"But that's the ONLY way to interpre-" no, it's not. There are literally THREE other ways to interpret that outright; grinding is bad, grinding is neutral, grinding is good but not as good.

You saying you disagree with them is one thing. You insisting on disagreeing with them EVEN AFTER THE PERSON WHO MADE THE POST told you they didn't mean that is a big problem. But you outright lying makes conversation next to impossible, no matter how many people upvote your post.

Those are all completely viable interpretations. Also, it's a stealth goalpost move to go from "only interpretation" to "only viable interpretation", with "viable" not being defined so you can use it to mean whatever you want. I contend all the interpretations I presented are viable and fit within the context of the post. Especially since the OP themselves clarified they didn't mean what you original interpreted them to mean.

You not wanting there to be other viable interpretations doesn't mean there aren't other viable interpretations. Again, when someone tells you you're wrong about how you read their post, you REALLY need to listen to them instead of insisting THEY meant something they've said they didn't mean.

But, as I've said, I DON'T want to contribute to more derailing of the thread. You can learn this - and should - or not, but it's not for me to teach you, clearly, as you refuse to even listen. But you really shouldn't outright lie.

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So let's talk about the actual topic instead of each other and other posters.

[AlexiaD]

Show me the words "grinding is in general bad" in that post.

As I say, I think an issue we have - because you do this to me, too - is you read into posts things people didn't explicitly say. Then, when people tell you "I didn't say/mean that", you insist they must have and refuse to let it go.

...but you REALLY need to stop lying. "you still haven't offered a single viable way..." I GAVE YOU THREE:



You saying you disagree with them is one thing. You insisting on disagreeing with them EVEN AFTER THE PERSON WHO MADE THE POST told you they didn't mean that is a big problem. But you outright lying makes conversation next to impossible, no matter how many people upvote your post.

Those are all completely viable interpretations. Also, it's a stealth goalpost move to go from "only interpretation" to "only viable interpretation", with "viable" not being defined so you can use it to mean whatever you want. I contend all the interpretations I presented are viable and fit within the context of the post. Especially since the OP themselves clarified they didn't mean what you original interpreted them to mean.

You not wanting there to be other viable interpretations doesn't mean there aren't other viable interpretations. Again, when someone tells you you're wrong about how you read their post, you REALLY need to listen to them instead of insisting THEY meant something they've said they didn't mean.

But, as I've said, I DON'T want to contribute to more derailing of the thread. You can learn this - and should - or not, but it's not for me to teach you, clearly, as you refuse to even listen. But you really shouldn't outright lie.

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So let's talk about the actual topic instead of each other and other posters.

"I derailed this thread all along, but now that I need to show evidence of my claims, I dont want it to derail it anymore"

never fail Renathras.

[Supersnow845]

Show me the words "grinding is in general bad" in that post.

having the new side content no require you to spend hours a day grinding to cap this or grind out completions of this fate over and over is a net positive.

Maybe a second read through will help considering you seem totally incapable of reading anything remotely resembling context, but if you need a bit of a helpful hint

“Having new side content not have grindy elements is a net positive” does not mean it is neutral or good, it means that not having it is good