Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

[Renalt]

You all care what others think too much.

[Nebelheim]

[QUOTE=Renathras;6335307]Consider:

- Someone (Titanman alt) posted what Zepla said.

- In response to counter arguments being made in good faith, the same someone (Titanman alt) replied with the specific segment of the video (timestamp) of her gaslighting opposition viewpoints.

- The person that was posted in response to even replied saying it didn't address her argument, to which the same someone (Titanman alt) then made more replies in the same vein.

- I replied pointing out that diminishes the reach of her argument and that it's bad to make a general attack of people in that way.

- NO LESS THAN TEN PEOPLE then abandoned the topic entirely to attack my take on it. And almost every one of them, btw, has a history of attacking my points in other threads. "blah blah blah" and "long post without saying thing" is not a rebuttal. It's an attack on someone or their style. The fact this has gone on for half a dozen pages and continues with your post, the post below with Vahl, after acknowledging immaturity before with it, posts yet another gif, and this after me pointing out the crying baby meme getting likes is why we can't have nice things.

It's like you guys lack basic self-awareness of what you're doing and how it's perceived.

I'm sorry, if you don't see how someone MIGHT perceive that as bullying, you may need to look up what bullying is. Using that to continue the dogpile on the person INSTEAD OF addressing the topic or their claims adds on to that.

At the very LEAST, it's not engaging in a good faith conversation.

You literally claimed to being harassed and bullied by a streamer because of her "hot takes" and her criticizing the game because somehow a streamer personally singled you out and only you. All zepla did was make a video making criticisms of endwalkers and somehow she is supposedly personally calling people out.

[Stormpeaks]

You all care what others think too much.

Nice L take buddy

maybe that's people's opinions too ?

no way nah, it has to only be Zepla's right ?

[Renathras]

You literally claimed to being harassed and bullied by a streamer because of her "hot takes" and her criticizing the game because somehow a streamer personally singled you out and only you. All zepla did was make a video making criticisms of endwalkers and somehow she is supposedly personally calling people out.

Source?

This was my first post here:

Who OP is (another Gaius alt...) aside...

Please provide the exact quote of where I "literally" claimed I was "being harassed and bullied" by Zepla.

EDIT:

Oh, and remember, your exact quote also has to include me literally claiming Zepla "personally singled you out and only you".

This is the problem.

You guys aren't responding to what I say. You literally make up things I didn't say, insist in your mind I said them, then respond to those things. When I react without contrition (since I didn't say those things), you spend dozens of pages joining with others to attack me over them in concert. Then eventually spill the beans of being upset for something literally not said.

I neither literally NOR figuratively made any such claim. Yet here you are - DERAILING THE THREAD - to insist it, even after I've asked to discuss the topic - which you seem to indicate everyone other than me wants to talk about and it's just my hot takes preventing.

Oh, but no bullying or attacking, nosiree.

/sigh

And then here will come Stormpeaks or one of her alts (or Titan's alt of the week) to call me a book writing baby. inb4 and all that. So exhausting.

EDIT2:

First you say it was an attack on the community, then it was you making implications she “lost it” and now her opinion is gas lighting? Do you even read what you write before you post? It’s not even worth going through all the tinfoil hat conspiracies you’ve come up with regarding other posters. It sounds like you need to actually take a break from the forums and stop having others opinions that don’t align with your own upset you in such a way.

ANOTHER Twinpeaks alt? o.O

Did you already use up your 80 posts for the day?

“Your opinion is a minority and the forums are an echo chamber”

-streamers have same opinion

“You are just copying the steamers opinion, form your own opinion”


If you are going to argue in bad faith just come right out and say “if you don’t hold my opinion you are wrong”

...speaking of "things Ren never said but is being attacked for saying".

Or are you referring to some other poster in this thread instead of me?

SPECIFICALLY, in case you're curious, "You are just copying the streamers opinion" is something I've never said. So...is this you attacking someone else?

Ren that post wasn’t targeting you at all, not sure why you thought I was directing that at you

Oh, I wasn't sure, that's why I asked if it was. I think I'm the only one that uses the term "echo chamber" here (or has lately), so it would be reasonable for you be addressing me since your post was after mine and no one else has posted on the side you'd be attacking for a while. You didn't quote anyone to specify, and used a term I've been accused of using. Hence the confusion.

But note I did ask, not state.

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But yeah, I REALLY don't want to keep going on about this stupidity. Why do you guys insist on continuing to bring it up? We're on page 10+ of "bash Ren" and you guys GENUINELY think it's not attacking or bullying. So if you can't move on, don't accuse me of being the problem here.

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Im probably not going to bother with them and there walls of text and conspiracies of zepla and other streamers attacking the community. And not going to bother sourcing there first post in this thread where they felt bullied by zepla since now there deflecting and claiming they never said it.

So, when you made a lie accusation, and I ask you to prove it, your response is NOW you're uninterested in engaging?

Can you just admit that I didn't make that claim? You were wrong in thinking I did, and then joined in on an attack brigade on me all over a lie.

You can admit that or not, but that's what happened here.

And the fact is, all of you guys doing this all the time is what leads to so much unnecessary animosity here. And you keep doing it, never admitting it, even when called on it. It's not you are "not going to bother sourcing", because it didn't happen. I LITERALLY POSTED to the first post I made here. And there was no part where I "felt bullied by zepla". I'm literally showing you I never said it. The word for that is not "deflection". The word for that is "proof":

Who OP is (another Gaius alt...) aside (let's be real, OP posted this to rile people up and stir the pot, not to make any serious or rational point, "her" history speaks for itself):

Zepla's snark at one point kind of indicates she's lost it a bit (so, of course, the usual suspects super agree with her on it...); when you attack people, you aren't criticizing the game, full stop. She very much seems to be a person in need of a break.

THAT said, EW is like the reverse SB. SB flopped on release, but made up for it in the post-patches. EW's release was fantastic but it dropped the ball in the post-patches. Where it needed to let us down gently from the post-climax high of the resolution of the 10 year story arc, it kind of just dropped us with little to do and longer patch cycles. It's the one expansion they REALLY shouldn't have decided to drop Exploration Content, and Island Sancutary, Criterion, and Orthos were thrown out to try and make up that void but have, for various reasons, failed to do so.

Part of this may be FF16 work, part of it is probably that they've also used a lot of resources on the graphics updeate (which isn't just 7.0 but is a work in progress that they're introducing bits of over time as well) and the revamp of the 1-70 game with Duty Support, AI, rebalancing and tuning all the earlier game stuff, and a lot of pruning and alternations to old quests, items, and systems to make the game more streamlined and "new user friendly" for people picking up the game. And all that stuff is fine and good...but it does expend resources that can't be used on the top end.

I do agree with Sharknado above:

THAT PROVES YOU WRONG.

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But, again, I personally just want to move on. Shall we?

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EDIT3: Because I really don't want to keep positing about this but do want there to be a record.

An alt?

She has this weird propensity to use alts to get around post limits and make it look like she has more support than she does.

And look at your post, your FIRST response to me:

First you say it was an attack on the community, then it was you making implications she “lost it” and now her opinion is gas lighting? Do you even read what you write before you post? It’s not even worth going through all the tinfoil hat conspiracies you’ve come up with regarding other posters. It sounds like you need to actually take a break from the forums and stop having others opinions that don’t align with your own upset you in such a way.

This is snarky and condescending as sin. Not to mention you lying about what I said. WHERE THE &#*$ did I say "her opinion is gas lighting"?

HER SAYING ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH HER IS INSISTING ANY CONTENT AT ALL IS A HEAVY GRIND is what is gas lighting. Good god, try and keep up.

If you're going to LIE ABOUT SOMEONE and be a total snarking condescending jerk to them, you shouldn't be surprised when they think you're just an alt of someone else doing the same thing who has a pattern of that behavior.

Maybe don't come on so strong and you wouldn't get that kind of response?

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As for the quotes:

Show me where I said that I was being harassed and bullied by Zepla.

That's what I've been accused of saying.

Let's look at those quotes:

1) I accused her of being snarky and having lost it a bit, pointing out attacking people isn't a critique of the game and that she's in need of a break. Welp, doesn't look like I said she personally attacked me there.

2) I commented that her tone and facial expression appeared to be genuine anger, not not theatrics, and that the anger is misguided. Welp, doesn't look like I said she personally attacked me there.

3) Let's see, here I laid out what happened in this thread to support the position that I'm being bullied by posters here. Zepla isn't a poster here - unless you one you is her character, which I doubt - so...this ALSO isn't me saying that Zepla attacked me personally.

Oh, but you aren't paying attention (you were before? clearly not...) or responding to me, so I guess I don't need to go on further other than to say not one of the quotes you provided supports the attack/accusations against me. But thanks for adding your name to the bullying hat to prove me more right...

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SO, the tally so far is 0-3 that not one of the people making claims I said Zepla personally harassed and attacked me has substantiated their accusation. Meaning they've been attacking me over a lie and still won't fess up. But hey, they get a ton of upvotes for lying!

[Supersnow845]

“Your opinion is a minority and the forums are an echo chamber”

-streamers have same opinion

“You are just copying the steamers opinion, form your own opinion”


If you are going to argue in bad faith just come right out and say “if you don’t hold my opinion you are wrong”

[Blossoming]

Words.

First you say it was an attack on the community, then it was you making implications she “lost it” and now her opinion is gas lighting? Do you even read what you write before you post? It’s not even worth going through all the tinfoil hat conspiracies you’ve come up with regarding other posters. It sounds like you need to actually take a break from the forums and stop having others opinions that don’t align with your own upset you in such a way.

[Nebelheim]

First you say it was an attack on the community, then it was you making implications she “lost it” and now her opinion is gas lighting? Do you even read what you write before you post? It’s not even worth going through all the tinfoil hat conspiracies you’ve come up with regarding other posters. It sounds like you need to actually take a break from the forums and stop having others opinions that don’t align with your own upset you in such a way.

Im probably not going to bother with them and there walls of text and conspiracies of zepla and other streamers attacking the community. And not going to bother sourcing there first post in this thread where they felt bullied by zepla since now there deflecting and claiming they never said it.

[Remember_The_Name]

Consider:

(Titanman alt) (Titanman alt) (Titanman alt)

[Stormpeaks]

First you say it was an attack on the community, then it was you making implications she “lost it” and now her opinion is gas lighting? Do you even read what you write before you post? It’s not even worth going through all the tinfoil hat conspiracies you’ve come up with regarding other posters. It sounds like you need to actually take a break from the forums and stop having others opinions that don’t align with your own upset you in such a way.

He's saying you're me now, he edited his post lmao

LMAO

[Supersnow845]

Ren that post wasn’t targeting you at all, not sure why you thought I was directing that at you