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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebelheim View Post
    The fact people whine and act like there getting bullied
    Consider:

    - Someone (Titanman alt) posted what Zepla said.

    - In response to counter arguments being made in good faith, the same someone (Titanman alt) replied with the specific segment of the video (timestamp) of her gaslighting opposition viewpoints.

    - The person that was posted in response to even replied saying it didn't address her argument, to which the same someone (Titanman alt) then made more replies in the same vein.

    - I replied pointing out that diminishes the reach of her argument and that it's bad to make a general attack of people in that way.

    - NO LESS THAN TEN PEOPLE then abandoned the topic entirely to attack my take on it. And almost every one of them, btw, has a history of attacking my points in other threads. "blah blah blah" and "long post without saying thing" is not a rebuttal. It's an attack on someone or their style. The fact this has gone on for half a dozen pages and continues with your post, the post below with Vahl, after acknowledging immaturity before with it, posts yet another gif, and this after me pointing out the crying baby meme getting likes is why we can't have nice things.

    It's like you guys lack basic self-awareness of what you're doing and how it's perceived.

    I'm sorry, if you don't see how someone MIGHT perceive that as bullying, you may need to look up what bullying is. Using that to continue the dogpile on the person INSTEAD OF addressing the topic or their claims adds on to that.

    At the very LEAST, it's not engaging in a good faith conversation.

    EDIT:

    Quote Originally Posted by Nebelheim View Post
    And now we have people on the forums feeling like victims...
    See, this is the bullshit I'm talking about.

    I literally stated MY OWN complaints that dovetail with Zepla's:

    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    Here's the messed up part, if you ignore the tit-for-tat between the serial bullies and I, my own complaints are not dissimilar to Zepla's. I disagree with how she's expressing her complaints (again, I always oppose attacking people as part of an argument or critique), but I agree with the general idea of.

    - There's not a lot to do, especially for the midcore.
    - The post-EW climax high of 6.0 needed a more gradual let-down, and this was not handled well for various reasons, nor was the "adventuring reset", which seems to be pushed to 7.0 leaving us in an awkward purgatory...
    - A lot of introduced content has missed the mark, even stuff that's stepping in the right direction (like Criterion)
    - The pace of content is slower AND the amount released is lower AND there's nothing with grind potential to make up for it.

    Those are significant critiques, and ones I have with the game right now myself.
    I haven't dismissed her claims. These are things I have in common with her and with other people also critical of the current game.

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    TL;DR: Ignoring that to attack me instead IS, indeed, attacking me. And joining with half a dozen or so people to do so is, indeed, bullying.

    And that's all I'm interested in saying on it. If you want to keep attacking me, you can, but that IS just bullying.

    On the other hand, if you'd like to join me in discussing the issues with the game, you can do so. I've offered that to others and no one's taken up on it yet. Indicating that, yes, they'd rather attack me than discuss the issues, even the ones we have some agreement on.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 09-04-2023 at 09:45 AM. Reason: Marked with EDIT