Thank you to YoshiP and the devs for the Rising

[FenyxRising]

The Devs and Community Manager of the game I used to play had very fragile egos and couldn't/wouldn't tolerate any negativity toward their game at all.

That literally sounds like FF14 based on what Yoshi P complained about recently ?

[LittleImp]

Too many of the critics aren't expressing any love for the game, though. They're only expressing hate.

I know that has come up before but as I've said before if players only mention what the devs are doing wrong and never mention what they're doing right, they're going to stop paying attention. No one can work effectively if they're stuck in a negative echo chamber.

Why do you keep posting this kind of thing?

You've had it laid out to you pretty explicitly that this isn't how things work, like in Lauront's excellent response in a previous thread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6323211

It just feels like you know what you are posting isn't true, and are knowingly misrepresenting reality to appeal to peoples emotions.

[RosaliaDLB]

Why do you keep posting this kind of thing?

You've had it laid out to you pretty explicitly that this isn't how things work, like in Lauront's excellent response in a previous thread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6323211

It just feels like you know what you are posting isn't true, and are knowingly misrepresenting reality to appeal to peoples emotions.

That's typical Jojoya though, their signature already says enough

[ZephyrMenodora]

Why do you keep posting this kind of thing?

You've had it laid out to you pretty explicitly that this isn't how things work, like in Lauront's excellent response in a previous thread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6323211

It just feels like you know what you are posting isn't true, and are knowingly misrepresenting reality to appeal to peoples emotions.

What about what Jojoya said is wrong though? Just take a quick gander at some of these throwaway alt accounts and you can see they are only created to criticize with impunity on accounts they don't care about.

Constructive feedback is fine, but some of these posters have been here for years just to constantly complain and criticize. It doesn't matter what the game releases, they will find some way to crap on it. It's fine if you say your piece maybe once in a while, but some of these people have no purpose but to do this. It's pretty lame in my opinion, but hey it's their life being wasted.

Anyway I bought Answers - Reprise on Mog Station. Calming / Contemplative monk temple a work in progress. May need to hire a decorator with actual creativity lol.

[LittleImp]

What about what Jojoya said is wrong though? Just take a quick gander at some of these throwaway alt accounts and you can see they are only created to criticize with impunity on accounts they don't care about.

Constructive feedback is fine, but some of these posters have been here for years just to constantly complain and criticize. It doesn't matter what the game releases, they will find some way to crap on it. It's fine if you say your piece maybe once in a while, but some of these people have no purpose but to do this. It's pretty lame in my opinion, but hey it's their life being wasted.

Read the post I linked, and you will understand exactly why what they said is wrong.

In a corporate setting, there are layers of protocol around the way customer feedback is ingested. In no reality would the developers be directly reading feedback (in a language they likely don't even know fluently), feel sad about it, and then decide to start ignoring feedback.

That entire idea is 100% ridiculous, and a cynically engineered attempt to try to shut down criticism by provoking an emotional response towards a made up situation.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Read the post I linked, and you will understand exactly why what they said is wrong.

In a corporate setting, there are layers of protocol around the way customer feedback is ingested. In no reality would the developers be directly reading feedback (in a language they likely don't even know fluently), feel sad about it, and then decide to start ignoring feedback.

That entire idea is 100% ridiculous, and a cynically engineered attempt to try to shut down criticism by provoking an emotional response towards a made up situation.

I think we are also talking about different things - constructive feedback is one thing, but pettiness, spite, hyperbole, and complete disregard for professions from a certain type of poster is another. If I controlled a board, I'd run such people right off like ESO does.

You also completely ignore those devs who have in the past tried to engage with gamers directly or read their feedback and end up with mental health issues. If you have followed any on social media and read their thoughts and why they no longer engage, you'd know how unnecessarily nasty people can be. We see a lot of such people here.

[LittleImp]

I think we are also talking about different things - constructive feedback is one thing, but pettiness, spite, hyperbole, and complete disregard for professions from a certain type of poster is another. If I controlled a board, I'd run such people right off like ESO does.

Nope. That post I linked, along with my own post in that thread both address the inherent value of even the strongest negative sentiment. At my job, we get feedback boxes full of abusive profanity that is 100000x worse than even the worst posts made on these forums. Sometimes we even get recorded voice messages on our phone systems!

Usually we pass them around the office and laugh at them, before setting to work figuring out what they were upset about.

I seriously cannot understate how mild the negativity on these forums is. People have such an exaggerated concept of these forums in their mind.

You also completely ignore those devs who have in the past tried to engage with gamers directly or read their feedback and end up with mental health issues.

The post I linked discusses the corporate infrastructure that exists in most companies to help isolate developers from this. Did you read it?

I repeat myself: In no reality would the developers at CBU3 be directly reading feedback (in a language they likely don't even know fluently), feel sad about it, and then decide to start ignoring feedback. This is just a headcannon created by users on these forums. There are layers of corporate infrastructure that cleanup and digest the feedback before it ever reaches their desks.

We see a lot of such people here.

No we don't. These forums are actually incredibly mild. More people need to browse 5ch or xivg to get some perspective.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Nope. That post I linked, along with my own post in that thread both address the inherent value of even the strongest negative sentiment. At my job, we get feedback boxes full of abusive profanity that is 100000x worse than even the worst posts made on these forums. Sometimes we even get recorded voice messages on our phone systems!

Usually we pass them around the office and laugh at them, before setting to work figuring out what they were upset about.

I seriously cannot understate how mild the negativity on these forums is. People have such an exaggerated concept of these forums in their mind.



The post I linked discusses the corporate infrastructure that exists in most companies to help isolate developers from this. Did you read it?

I repeat myself: In no reality would the developers at CBU3 be directly reading feedback (in a language they likely don't even know fluently), feel sad about it, and then decide to start ignoring feedback. This is just a headcannon created by users on these forums. There are layers of corporate infrastructure that cleanup and digest the feedback before it ever reaches their desks.



No we don't. These forums are actually incredibly mild. More people need to browse 5ch or xivg to get some perspective.

I simply disagree with you as to how much abuse any professional should have to dig through, be it directly or funneled through a CM. Simple as that.

If you can't be respectful, you don't deserve to be heard.

[ICountFrom0]

Nope. That post I linked, along with my own post in that thread both address the inherent value of even the strongest negative sentiment. At my job, we get feedback boxes full of abusive profanity that is 100000x worse than even the worst posts made on these forums. Sometimes we even get recorded voice messages on our phone systems!

Usually we pass them around the office and laugh at them, before setting to work figuring out what they were upset about.

Traumabonding is considered torture in the wider community.
It's too late for you to see the problem.

[RosaliaDLB]

I simply disagree with you as to how much abuse any professional should have to dig through, be it directly or funneled through a CM. Simple as that.

If you can't be respectful, you don't deserve to be heard.

People have been respectful for years with this dev team, they actually just dont care, so what do they do then ? Keep being nice and say a little "please please please" to every request that has been ignored a thousand times ? People get annoyed, and they have the right to be.