You need to give up on XI-2

[Xoo]

Unproven fact: 5/10 new threads support FFXI-2, while 5/10 threads support XIV 2.0. No love for the game in its current state.

[Wevlum]

Unproven fact: 5/10 new threads support FFXI-2, while 5/10 threads support XIV 2.0. No love for the game in its current state.

Because nothing can be added to game as it stands because of server limitations ^^;

[bobbygunz]

Unproven fact: 5/10 new threads support FFXI-2, while 5/10 threads support XIV 2.0. No love for the game in its current state.

those threads supporting 2.0 are gullibly supporting the promised "amazing" game it will be, and those supporting FFXI are lost in nostalgia. Both are misguided.

[Wevlum]

those threads supporting 2.0 are gullibly supporting the promised "amazing" game it will be, and those supporting FFXI are lost in nostalgia. Both are misguided.

Yeah because the scathing reviews of Tanaka's vision of an MMO weren't justified in the slightest.

FFXIV 2.0 is obviously going to be better than what Tanaka left us with because lets face it, it's easy to improve on a painting if the original is a finger painting -.-;

EDIT; /slowgolfclap for Jinko's Rokien award.

[bobbygunz]

Yeah because the scathing reviews of Tanaka's vision of an MMO weren't justified in the slightest.

FFXIV 2.0 is obviously going to be better than what Tanaka left us with because lets face it, it's easy to improve on a painting if the original is a finger painting -.-;

It's possible to make it worse too, if your vision is off.

[Onidemon]

It's possible to make it worse too, if you're vision is off.

Didn't Yoshi-P prove himself enough? Whatever he did so far and what is planned in those 2.0 documents, if you took the time to read them that is, is already a good indication that his vision is way better then what Tanaka had in mind.

Yoshi-p is a gamer, he played a lot of MMOs, he said it himself. This puts him in a better position then Tanaka who had only heard and seen a bit of WOW which is let's face it the most popular MMO of all time up until now. How can you design a great MMO when you are going blind not knowing what is out there and only basing youself on a 10 yr old game. Things changes, mmo chages, gaming itself changed and Tanaka couldn't adapt.

[bobbygunz]

Didn't Yoshi-P prove himself enough? Whatever he did so far and what is planned in those 2.0 documents, if you took the time to read them that is, is already a good indication that his vision is way better then what Tanaka had in mind.

Yoshi-p is a gamer, he played a lot of MMOs, he said it himself. This puts him in a better position then Tanaka who had only heard and seen a bit of WOW which is let's face it the most popular MMO of all time up until now. How can you design a great MMO when you are going blind not knowing what is out there and only basing youself on a 10 yr old game. Things changes, mmo chages, gaming itself changed and Tanaka couldn't adapt.

Well that's not true. How has Yoshi proved himself when all of his promises are invested in 2.0 which we haven't played? Unless you're counting the previous 1.5 years which we've received minimal content updates as proof of his abilties (lol?).

And a lot of his ideas are hugely contentious like dungeon finder, etc. Many people left Rift because of that, so don't act like it's the saving grace of the genre, because it can wreck games instead of saving them.

[Onidemon]

Well that's not true. How has Yoshi proved himself when all of his promises are invested in 2.0 which we haven't played? Unless you're counting the previous 1.5 years which we've received minimal content updates as proof of his abilties (lol?).

And a lot of his ideas are hugely contentious like dungeon finder, etc. Many people left Rift because of that, so don't act like it's the saving grace of the genre, because it can wreck games instead of saving them.

Have you played this game when it launched? He fixed a lot of things, it's 1000 times better then it used to be. It's not as good as it should be yet. There's a lot less complains for this game after each patch, some are actually enjoing it the way it is now. He may have a lot invested in 2.0 but he done a lot too since he took over.