7.0 copium has got to stop

[Renathras]

Exactly. If a post is well written and makes good use of its words, then I don't see a problem with having a longer post. But if you're going to make essays where a majority of its words are simply fluff and padding, then why should I waste my time reading that if I don't feel like it is worth it? I'm not here to grade student papers. It has nothing to do with a short attention span or an inability to read longer posts like Vel and DPZ2 are saying. I simply don't have an obligation to read essays if they don't have much substance hidden beneath the large word count.

Oh and Vel, I read your essay. It had absolutely nothing of substance in it. But I wouldn't try to lecture me about how I should spend my time. Statistically I most likely have more time left here on this Earth than you do, and yet you're still here shilling for a video game on an online forum. You were right about one thing. It doesn't last forever, for anyone. But that includes you. Instead of worrying about how others are spending their time, worry about your own.

So like your posts?

I keep reading them, but none of them have anything of substance in them.

See?

Anyone can say things have nothing of substance. The truth is, most posts have plenty of substance. You may disagree with them, but then disagree with them, don't say they don't exist and are just long walls of fluff.

EDIT:

Do you want peace or not? Doesn't seem like you do. Go write me another book about it or let it go like I told you to.

You asked for shorter posts. This is shorter posts.

Also, you rejected my offer of peace. Four times. You're still calling me names in other threads and harping on my post length in this one, and you're still doing what you think is insulting me - comparing me to Val, which you clearly aren't saying to be flattering - thus denying peaceful coexistence. You literally told me you wouldn't make any agreement, kept calling me names, insisting I was being childish and that you were going to keep harassing me no matter what I did short of me completely changing how I talk and post and not defending myself, even as you continued to attack me. Even as I kept NOT attacking you as you made several more posts calling me names. Even as I kept extending an olive branch and not stooping to your level while you kept doing it over and over. And even after you outright said you would accept no peace and make no agreement AND called me some more names.

You're even doing it now by insisting I need to "let it go" (when you were the one that just mentioned me, not the other way around) or "write (you) another book" when I'm writing short posts now.

Why should I be a pacifist while you're continuing to bash me?

While you're pretending to be the boss of me and seem to think I have to obey your orders - "like I told you to"?

You made it clear no amount of be being cowed and meek would lead to peace. So if you see me asking for peace as weakness and used it to bash me a bunch without retaliation, then clearly you won't accept peace, or peace will be one sided of me meekly accepting your abuse without saying anything. So perhaps if I want peace, then para bellum. This is what you rejecting peace is going to lead to, not me meekly suffering your slings and arrows without a word. I'm no one's punching bag.

Besides, I'm just pointing out you're throwing rocks from your glass house. Something you accuse me of all the time.

Yes, I want peace. But you told me you wouldn't accept it and wanted shorter posts.

So this is what me making shorter posts and rejecting peace looks like. Are you SURE this is what you want?

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Won't touch it.

Seriously, I'm not even addressing you yet you chose to come into this thread to attack me here. That kinda proves my point, so...I guess thank you for proving my point?

^this is the crux of it, he has been proven wrong factually before and will lash out rather than admit it and then say he admitted to being wrong on something else as if that balances the scales

So have you guys. The difference is, because you collectively agree with each other, you won't treat each other the way you treat me, despite refusals to surrender positions or the like. And the times I HAVE done so didn't get people to go "How mature of you, kudos". It got people to mock me MORE. So that's BS collectively.

Heck, I can even just NOT post in a thread like this and what happens? You guys choose to talk about and attack me instead of, you know, the topic. Weird how that works, innit?

[Kaurhz]

So, your "essay" here is 139 words too long?

I'd blame the lack of concentration these days on cell phones.

I'm glad you spotted the intended irony in my post. LOL

Written conversation requires more words than certain posters appear to be able to handle.

I blame TikTok and Twitter.

Required, no. You seem to be under some illusion that they are necessary to make a point, but they are not. On the other hand, making a concise point seems to require more firing neurons than what some are willing to dedicate.

Exactly. If a post is well written and makes good use of its words, then I don't see a problem with having a longer post. But if you're going to make essays where a majority of its words are simply fluff and padding, then why should I waste my time reading that if I don't feel like it is worth it? I'm not here to grade student papers. It has nothing to do with a short attention span or an inability to read longer posts like Vel and DPZ2 are saying. I simply don't have an obligation to read essays if they don't have much substance hidden beneath the large word count.

Honestly, for the most part, it's fine, but some people are under the impression that the problem is not with the text, but rather the person reading it. When the inverse is quite as easily true in the case. - Like come on, do you really need to use comparisons against aircraft flight to try and make the point of "Well I've raided in this game, therefore, I know how it all applies in other games".

Frankly, I'm not entirely bothered but if people are going to treat reading on a forum, as if it's indicative of anything in the real world, especially with something like academic pursuits, it doesn't really apply, at all.

[AwesomeJr44]

Honestly, for the most part, it's fine, but some people are under the impression that the problem is not with the text, but rather the person reading it. When the inverse is quite as easily true in the case. - Like come on, do you really need to use comparisons against aircraft flight to try and make the point of "Well I've raided in this game, therefore, I know how it all applies in other games".

Frankly, I'm not entirely bothered but if people are going to treat reading on a forum, as if it's indicative of anything in the real world, especially with something like academic pursuits, it doesn't really apply, at all.

Yep. I'm not going to devote my time to reading an essay if it's clear that the person writing it is padding their posts with unneeded fluff. I shouldn't be expected to give time to those intent on wasting it.

Also, while a good word picture or comparison can be helpful to get a point across, a bad one just makes you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. That's why it's a good idea to leave them out unless it really fits.

[Koros]

[Deo14]

If it's really that hard, just shorten your messages before you post it with chatGPT. 397 words to 150, result did not lost any meaning, in fact I argue that meaning became much clearer, because reader won't get confused after you repeat the same thing 5 times.

Ren:

You asked for shorter posts. This is shorter posts.

Also, you rejected my offer of peace. Four times. You're still calling me names in other threads and harping on my post length in this one, and you're still doing what you think is insulting me - comparing me to Val, which you clearly aren't saying to be flattering - thus denying peaceful coexistence. You literally told me you wouldn't make any agreement, kept calling me names, insisting I was being childish and that you were going to keep harassing me no matter what I did short of me completely changing how I talk and post and not defending myself, even as you continued to attack me. Even as I kept NOT attacking you as you made several more posts calling me names. Even as I kept extending an olive branch and not stooping to your level while you kept doing it over and over. And even after you outright said you would accept no peace and make no agreement AND called me some more names.

You're even doing it now by insisting I need to "let it go" (when you were the one that just mentioned me, not the other way around) or "write (you) another book" when I'm writing short posts now.

Why should I be a pacifist while you're continuing to bash me?

While you're pretending to be the boss of me and seem to think I have to obey your orders - "like I told you to"?

You made it clear no amount of be being cowed and meek would lead to peace. So if you see me asking for peace as weakness and used it to bash me a bunch without retaliation, then clearly you won't accept peace, or peace will be one sided of me meekly accepting your abuse without saying anything. So perhaps if I want peace, then para bellum. This is what you rejecting peace is going to lead to, not me meekly suffering your slings and arrows without a word. I'm no one's punching bag.

Besides, I'm just pointing out you're throwing rocks from your glass house. Something you accuse me of all the time.

Yes, I want peace. But you told me you wouldn't accept it and wanted shorter posts.

So this is what me making shorter posts and rejecting peace looks like. Are you SURE this is what you want?

Shortened by ChatGPT:

You rejected my peace offer multiple times and continue to insult me in different threads. Despite my attempts to extend an olive branch and not engage in name-calling, you've persisted in attacking me. You've made it clear that peace would only be possible if I accepted your terms unconditionally. So, if you view my pursuit of peace as weakness and a chance to criticize me further, then it seems that peace, to you, means me enduring your attacks silently. I'm not willing to be a punching bag.

I've also noticed you accusing me of throwing rocks from a glass house, which is something you frequently claim I do. I do desire peace, but you've insisted on shorter posts and shown reluctance to accept any agreement. This response, in accordance with your desire for brevity and lack of peace, is a demonstration of that. Is this truly the outcome you seek?

As for the argument itself, I don't even know. Ren has good ideas every now and then, but when he gets a bad ones or even factually incorrect ones, he will just keep defending them with his essays as if his life depended on it, and in turn, people will just make fun of it. Just look at the legendary slidecast argument. He claimed factually incorrect statement, people corrected him without personal insults, he backlashed as a kid, then people made fun of him for that backlash, then he called everyone names. This cycle just keeps repeating.

Now he has his reputation, so people (including me) won't hesitate to make fun of him as a first thing once they see some dumb stuff in his comments. I even gave him second chance by removing his quote from my signature (the one where he claimed that people playing 10+ hours a day and don't min max are casuals), yet he still does the same thing next day. Funny thing is that he acknowledged that the quote was mocking him. I mean, if you truly do believe in what you said, shouldn't you be honored that others share that message?

Ib4 he starts another argument with me, overanalyzing my every word.

[Supersnow845]

^this is the crux of it, he has been proven wrong factually before and will lash out rather than admit it and then say he admitted to being wrong on something else as if that balances the scales

If he was just another person with slightly wonky opinions who was a little too confident in their own knowledge nobody would notice (hell I’ve been confidently wrong on multiple occasions on the forums yet I don’t really have a reputation), it’s the fact that he lashes out too easily and people are too quick to make fun of him lashing out

[Snorky]

Wow this thread has really devolved into nonsense. Read the doom and gloom OP and skip to the end where we are arguing about non gluten free filler posts. Hmmm. 3 words can solve this ready? Play or quit. Simple as that.

[Stormpeaks]

Wow this thread has really devolved into nonsense. Read the doom and gloom OP and skip to the end where we are arguing about non gluten free filler posts. Hmmm. 3 words can solve this ready? Play or quit. Simple as that.

you said the thing, woooooooooooo you said "just quit looooooool" congratulations, where do you want the little "I am smart" badge ?

[Snorky]

you said the thing, woooooooooooo you said "just quit looooooool" congratulations, where do you want the little "I am smart" badge ?

Common sense would dictate if you don't want a headache stop beating yourself over the head. I AM smart. Lol

[Kaurhz]

Common sense would dictate if you don't want a headache stop beating yourself over the head. I AM smart. Lol

Glad we have you to also contribute to this 'nonsense'.

Might I suggest a diet stronger in B12?