Congratulations Square Enix! FF4 surpasses WoW this year. (Source inside)

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Exactly, so just say you want to play a social hangout simulator and stop calling WoW's zones dead, it's fine to me I really dont care, but dont come out and start blasting at a game that does content better by saying "irrelevant zones are dead oh no" when it isnt the focus of the game, literally no one cares about leveling in WoW, it's done as fast as possible to max level to join endgame activities, period.



I literally just mentioned I do play both by the way, and doubt about people playing FFXIV for its content, aside from a week once every 6 months, this game is completely barren content wise except maybe on Aether because it has all the datacenters converged on there.

It's a fact. The zones ARE dead. That's content that players cannot do, even if they wanted to, as they were designed to be where all players are funneled to. Then when the new on patch content came out, those zones weren't re-scaled to compensate for no one being there anymore.

You clearly know far less than I about WoW. I doubt you've even played Dragonflight. Yet you have the audacity to try and lecture me? Grow up.

And "activities"? M+ is the only activity that sees any real use and that's because it's the best way to gear. Players complain about it all the time. Raiding guilds died out because M+ was just better and they can see the story in LFR. Raiders are forced to do M+ as well, just so they can Raid. M+ gamers don't have to Raid to stay geared. See the problem?

[Stormpeaks]

It's a fact. The zones ARE dead. That's content that players cannot do, even if they wanted to, as they were designed to be where all players are funneled to. Then when the new on patch content came out, those zones weren't re-scaled to compensate for no one being there anymore.

You clearly know far less than I about WoW. I doubt you've even played Dragonflight. Yet you have the audacity to try and lecture me? Grow up.

Yeah you're coping there buddy, the zones aint dead, you can do anything just fine, will it feel a bit lonely ? absolutely, but any endgame content zone (the cooking event etc) has a lot of people there, stop playing on a dead server maybe. You're literally coping. And yes I do play DF, on a high population server so I have no issue doing anything.

The only empty places are leveling zones, because as I said no one cares about them, people rush rush to max level to reach endgame content.

and no, I dont see the problem with M+, it's booming every day, and so is the raiding tab of group finder, dont see why that's a problem, people are happy enough to do it so ? I have a guild that does M+ as well and some side raiding as I pug a lot of the time, and have 0 issues doing so.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Yeah you're coping there buddy, the zones aint dead, you can do anything just fine, will it feel a bit lonely ? absolutely, but any endgame content zone (the cooking event etc) has a lot of people there, stop playing on a dead server maybe. You're literally coping. And yes I do play DF, on a high population server so I have no issue doing anything.

The only empty places are leveling zones, because as I said no one cares about them, people rush rush to max level to reach endgame content.

and no, I dont see the problem with M+, it's booming every day, and so is the raiding tab of group finder, dont see why that's a problem, people are happy enough to do it so ? I have a guild that does M+ as well and some side raiding as I pug a lot of the time, and have 0 issues doing so.

It's clear that you haven't played WoW in awhile. I also noticed that you ignored the rampant RMT that happens in WoW and how damaging the WoW Token is. I can literally buy WoW Tokens then have one of the few remaining top Guilds, as most are dead thanks to M+, carry me and get me all the cheevos in a month - if that.

And no, those end game zones don't have people there. You are simply clueless and haven't said a single fact about the game you're so passionately trying to defend. It's almost impressive how confident you are in how incorrect you are.

[Nebelheim]

I get it. You are just naive to what's happening on WoW. It's kinda sad, really. The WoW Token has done massive damage to WoW, yet you defend it and try to wrongly imply that the RMT scene in FF14 is anywhere near as bad as WoWs.

You must have forgotten the Brut mount that was taken out of the game to encourage FOMO. It's highly doubtful any significant number of players got that mount without RMT.

Considering i see groups of lalafell rmts flying from underneath the ground through the roofs of buildings like the gridania grand company area and around fc chest i would say ff14 has a big bot/rmt problem. RMT isn't something that only exist in wow literally every mmo has rmt issues.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Considering i see groups of lalafell rmts flying from underneath the ground through the roofs of buildings like the gridania grand company area and around fc chest i would say ff14 has a big bot/rmt problem.

It has a bot problem, but it's nowhere near as bad as WoW.

Ever try WoW Classic servers that Blizzard is hosting? You'll see just how bad it can get as Blizzard literally doesn't care for it. Then if you're playing Retail go to Legion, BFA, SL, or such areas where there is near instant spawns. Those same spots are always full of bots 24/7. It's only going to get worse as WoW is pushing out Cross-server trading. Which means Bots will start frequenting dead servers even more and then transfer their stuff to a high pop server to kill the economy even more than it is already destroyed.

Then there's the trade channel, which allows the selling of carries. 200k. 300k. 400k. 500k. ect. No player is buying a carry at those prices without buying WoW Tokens and RMT. Blizzard knows this. That's why they allow RMT as they do. They let the botters profit enough that they will keep returning after they're banned in 6-12 months.

Heck, there are streamers in the top guilds that RMT while live and sell carries live. Yet are never punished for profit reasons. That and it's the only way those players can put out 100+ hours a week on the game as they aren't working full time jobs in that case.

[Stormpeaks]

It has a bot problem, but it's nowhere near as bad as WoW.

Ever try WoW Classic servers that Blizzard is hosting? You'll see just how bad it can get as Blizzard literally doesn't care for it. Then if you're playing Retail go to Legion, BFA, SL, or such areas where there is near instant spawns. Those same spots are always full of bots 24/7. It's only going to get worse as WoW is pushing out Cross-server trading. Which means Bots will start frequenting dead servers even more and then transfer their stuff to a high pop server to kill the economy even more than it is already destroyed.

Then there's the trade channel, which allows the selling of carries. 200k. 300k. 400k. 500k. ect. No player is buying a carry at those prices without buying WoW Tokens and RMT. Blizzard knows this. That's why they allow RMT as they do. They let the botters profit enough that they will keep returning after they're banned in 6-12 months.

Heck, there are streamers in the top guilds that RMT while live and sell carries live. Yet are never punished for profit reasons. That and it's the only way those players can put out 100+ hours a week on the game as they aren't working full time jobs in that case.

you while looking at the wow token :



you watching the lalas flying under limsa, the lalas instant teleporting from one city to the other, the "busy" level 10 gil sellers trading gil to the buyers, the spammers every 2 minutes or less, the PF for carries and more :

[Nebelheim]

It has a bot problem, but it's nowhere near as bad as WoW.

Ever try WoW Classic servers that Blizzard is hosting? You'll see just how bad it can get as Blizzard literally doesn't care for it. Then if you're playing Retail go to Legion, BFA, SL, or such areas where there is near instant spawns. Those same spots are always full of bots 24/7. It's only going to get worse as WoW is pushing out Cross-server trading. Which means Bots will start frequenting dead servers even more and then transfer their stuff to a high pop server to kill the economy even more than it is already destroyed.

Then there's the trade channel, which allows the selling of carries. 200k. 300k. 400k. 500k. ect. No player is buying a carry at those prices without buying WoW Tokens and RMT. Blizzard knows this. That's why they allow RMT as they do. They let the botters profit enough that they will keep returning after they're banned in 6-12 months.

Heck, there are streamers in the top guilds that RMT while live and sell carries live. Yet are never punished for profit reasons. That and it's the only way those players can put out 100+ hours a week on the game as they aren't working full time jobs in that case.

Bots and RMT does the same exact thing on ff14 though. I seen bots go unpunished for years on ff14 that i see that have been around since arr even after reporting multiple times.

[Jojoya]

Bots and RMT does the same exact thing on ff14 though. I seen bots go unpunished for years on ff14 that i see that have been around since arr even after reporting multiple times.

I may be wrong but I think the point they're trying to make is that the RMT problem in WoW is compounded by having the WoW token in addition to the usual bot problem.

By being able to sell gold to get Battle.net Balance via the WoW token, players are encouraged to bot themselves to get access to paid character services, items on WoW's cash shop and even other Blizzard games. I don't know if Blizzard ever decided to allow Battle.net Balance to be used to purchase Blizzard merchandise (T-shirts, plushies, etc.) but if so that would encourage player botting that much more.

RMT here is mostly limited to gil (why, people? gil isn't hard to get) and sometimes houses. The cash shop RMT that we used to see was actually scamming and not real sales.