Congratulations Square Enix! FF4 surpasses WoW this year. (Source inside)

[Puremallace]

Source: https://finalweapon.net/2021/06/09/f...aft-this-year/


Obviously this data is subjective but can we talk about how much of a GENIUS decision it was to make from 1-60 free and include the Heavensward expansion.

I can see this causing major drama. Some people seem to think Twitch is a good reflection of population numbers for an MMO. This game is very huge in Japan but please tell me where they stream at as it is not Twitch.

Here is hoping this forces Blizzard to step up their game and we can get some real competition going in the MMO space making both MMO's better.

Congratulations Square Enix for having developers that treat players with respect.

[Shougun]

Potentially a bit misleading with Classic and Normal WoW being separated, but taking that aside, and even the competition aspect, and viewing the number itself, it's still a pretty great number enshrining them as a titan part of their industry (if one didn't already think that) - so well done indeed.

Cheers for FFXIV and it's team, and naturally SE at large

[Y2K21]

"These stats are recorded by MMO-Population.com which track player counts with API tools, reddit and other resources."

Lol.

[ZedxKayn]

"These stats are recorded by MMO-Population.com which track player counts with API tools, reddit and other resources."

Lol.

It's just counting retail and classic as two separate games too, combined WoW still has about 60% more active players than XIV.

[Y2K21]

It's just counting retail and classic as two separate games too, combined WoW still has about 60% more active players than XIV.

Like I've said before its total mmo population count is based off subreddit numbers. The websites MMO Growth page is literally tracking how many reddit accounts follow the subreddit as subs.

Also MMO-Population doesnt explain their equations anymore since they removed that info from the site after blatantly saying their math is literally "subreddit number multiplied by some special variable"

Oh and its variable is always different for each of the games -- so it might as well be made-up math.

[Nezerius]

It's just counting retail and classic as two separate games too, combined WoW still has about 60% more active players than XIV.

On the other hand, simply adding up both retail and classic numbers isn't gonna give a clear percentage on how much more it has over XIV. There's a good chunk of players who play both versions.
Does WoW have more active players than XIV? Most likely, but the numbers are much closer nowadays, in comparison to how things used to be.

[Liam_Harper]

Even if it wasn't perfectly accurate, it's a good representation of the current situation. FF14 is indeed doing better than it ever has before and WoW is on a steady decline. It doesn't make me happy seeing WoW fall, I hope they see the increase in competition as a motivator to create quality content again, but I am happy this game is thriving. It might encourage SE to invest and throw the devs a little more budget.

It's just counting retail and classic as two separate games too, combined WoW still has about 60% more active players than XIV.

It does depend if a player who actively plays both counts towards both totals. What surprises me most however is how large the Classic population is compared to Retail. Classic is a game that was created by a completely different development team to the current one. It's not a good outlook when your modern, polished game is struggling to keep up with a decade and a half old game made by the Devs you long since fired.

[Sorimachi87]

Congratulations!!!
You guys earned it! Lets keep going and pushing forward! Wohooooooooo!

[Y2K21]

It does depend if a player who actively plays both counts towards both totals. What surprises me most however is how large the Classic population is compared to Retail. Classic is a game that was created by a completely different development team to the current one. It's not a good outlook when your modern, polished game is struggling to keep up with a decade and a half old game made by the Devs you long since fired.

The issue with this line is that there is no separation between a Retail and a Classic subscription -- it is all one subscription. Basing it off outside math (in this case Reddit) -- doesnt necessarily mean anything when there is no way to validate if a subreddit follower is an active sub. What also constitutes to an active player under the math of MMO-Population?

It is why it is questionable when MMO-Population has two different metrics for player counting: Top MMO (which supposedly is how many active players) and MMO Growth (which is supposedly the growth of players over 30 days -- both spout two different numbers with MMO Growth being literally the subreddit number just being used to show population count.

These are the issues that website has when they choose to no longer publish how they get their estimations. Because at the moment, MMO-P shows that FF14 has 2.5 million players but on their Growth page which supposedly shows "Growth in players over a 30 day period" it drops to sub-500k. We can double check and see that the growth number is from the FF14 main subreddit.

So the main question remains: where is 2.5 million coming from? What is the math they do to achieve that number?

[MilkieTea]

The issue with this line is that there is no separation between a Retail and a Classic subscription -- it is all one subscription. Basing it off outside math (in this case Reddit) -- doesnt necessarily mean anything when there is no way to validate if a subreddit follower is an active sub. What also constitutes to an active player under the math of MMO-Population?

It is why it is questionable when MMO-Population has two different metrics for player counting: Top MMO (which supposedly is how many active players) and MMO Growth (which is supposedly the growth of players over 30 days -- both spout two different numbers with MMO Growth being literally the subreddit number just being used to show population count.

These are the issues that website has when they choose to no longer publish how they get their estimations. Because at the moment, MMO-P shows that FF14 has 2.5 million players but on their Growth page which supposedly shows "Growth in players over a 30 day period" it drops to sub-500k. We can double check and see that the growth number is from the FF14 main subreddit.

So the main question remains: where is 2.5 million coming from? What is the math they do to achieve that number?

IMHO I only use MMO-Pop to figure out basic interest and numbers. Their graphs are pretty accurate in regards to player retention (WoW is known to have a rollercoaster whereas XIV is known to have a pretty steady line of retention.) However their actual numbers are pretty sketch. Only use them as a base model.