Congratulations Square Enix! FF4 surpasses WoW this year. (Source inside)

[Renathras]

Jesus, they get all of that for $15 a month? No, seriously. As someone who mostly just plays FFXIV, it's astonishing how WoW still gets new content regularly compared to FFXIV. We barely get anything per patch, which is every five months now. And didn't you and your ilk claim that FFXIV had more content than WoW? And all of it was playable and such-and-such?

Why does FFXIV have to be the MMO that people feverishly defend despite its flaws? I thought WoW held onto that mantle? Now we're the shitty game.

I mean, you could argue this for all the stuff FFXIV has as well. You might just say "It's all dead content so it doesn't count!" and "Everyone's done it already!"
...but then that same argument applies to WoW. You can't praise it for having the same amount of stuff - or even more stuff - if it's just as dead.

[Stormpeaks]

I mean, you could argue this for all the stuff FFXIV has as well. You might just say "It's all dead content so it doesn't count!" and "Everyone's done it already!"
...but then that same argument applies to WoW. You can't praise it for having the same amount of stuff - or even more stuff - if it's just as dead.

Except that WoW has content, mainly Mythic+ and raiding, Mythic+ being infinite dungeon runs with scaling difficulty and scaling rewards, amongst other things, something... FFXIV doesnt have. And no, fishing is not equal to M+, there's also a lot more side content and reward systems.

I think if some people actually saw WoW's group finder, and compared it to FFXIV's PF, they would have a big surprise, one is a game for its content, one is just a social hang out with extremely slow drip fed content that has no longevity what so ever.

All dead content.

You seem to have missed that entirely, just so you can complain about FF14. It's so bad that players are going back to Shadowlands and refusing to do any of that. As the only active content in Dragonflight is an hourly Time Rift which has more than half the players AFK on the pillars until the Rift opens open for a few minutes of content. Then it's over.

I cannot recommend WoW to new players as the new player experience is horrid and when they get into Dragonflight they're overwhelmed with dead content that the game sends them to. It wasn't bad at the start of Dragonflight, when content was relevant, but now? It's real bad, and Blizzard refuses to re-scale these areas so that new players/late comers/alts can actually do that content.

Not to mention that a lot of that content is super grindy and doing the same stuff every day/week until you max it out. It's not innovative, and with them being dead zones they aren't even possible to do unless you super out gear them.

It's "dead" (it aint that dead by the way, every time I check there's people but sure) content because it's side content so not many people do it, people are doing the MAIN endgame content, which is instanced and done via either friends or group finder, there are hundreds after hundreds of groups every single day, even during content drought for it. WoW is not a social hangout simulator, it's a content game, with actual proper content.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

It's almost like WoW is made for people that actually want to do content, and not focused on leveling/MSQ like FFXIV is, I know I know, it's crazy that there actually is content in a game, since you are so used to FFXIV and the 2 days of content once every 6 months, but some games actually do focus on content and not questing and leveling.

As for the RMT part, I am laughing pretty hard, have you ever seen what's under the limsa aetheryte with idle cam ? RMT is prevalent in this game, and nothing is done agaisnt it, it's been left like this for years after years, gil sellers and players are literally trading in the middle of Limsa in front of everyone to see, you can see them with their busy status, and always around level 10, it's very obvious what's going on there, the only difference is that WoW made it legal by putting it in their game, while FFXIV is keeping this stance of "cant see what's going on and cant hear lalalalalala" as everything happens right under their nose

If you want WoW to be your only game and enjoy the latest patch killing the content of the last patch, then go play WoW.

FF14 doesn't have the same mindset as WoW. What you want, it seems, is an endless grinding formula that is WoW where you have literally no time to play any other game BUT WoW. In that case, it's time to retire from FF14, which gives you the freedom to play multiple games, and sell your soul to just playing WoW since that's the type of game style you want and WoW does that best.

[Renathras]

Except that WoW has content, mainly Mythic+ and raiding, Mythic+ being infinite dungeon runs with scaling difficulty and scaling rewards, amongst other things, something... FFXIV doesnt have. And no, fishing is not equal to M+, there's also a lot more side content and reward systems.

I think if some people actually saw WoW's group finder, and compared it to FFXIV's PF, they would have a big surprise, one is a game for its content, one is just a social hang out with extremely slow drip fed content that has no longevity what so ever.

So for anyone uninterested in Mythic+ and raiding, or who has already done all of that content that they want to do - WoW has no content.

And you're saying FFXIV doesn't have a lot of side content and reward systems, really?

I'm sorry you can't imagine that people play FFXIV for its content...but a lot of people really really do. If you like WoW so much better, it's right there for you to play instead. Or hell, you could play both. You have two subs here, so you could just cancel one and pay for your WoW sub with that money and enjoy WoW all the time and FFXIV when there are patches or whatever and you have content you like to do for a few weeks.

[Stormpeaks]

If you want WoW to be your only game and enjoy the latest patch killing the content of the last patch, then go play WoW.

FF14 doesn't have the same mindset as WoW. What you want, it seems, is an endless grinding formula that is WoW where you have literally no time to play any other game BUT WoW. In that case, it's time to retire from FF14, which gives you the freedom to play multiple games, and sell your soul to just playing WoW since that's the type of game style you want and WoW does that best.

Exactly, so just say you want to play a social hangout simulator and stop calling WoW's zones dead, it's fine to me I really dont care, but dont come out and start blasting at a game that does content better by saying "irrelevant zones are dead oh no" when it isnt the focus of the game, literally no one cares about leveling in WoW, it's done as fast as possible to max level to join endgame activities, period.

So for anyone uninterested in Mythic+ and raiding, or who has already done all of that content that they want to do - WoW has no content.

And you're saying FFXIV doesn't have a lot of side content and reward systems, really?

I'm sorry you can't imagine that people play FFXIV for its content...but a lot of people really really do. If you like WoW so much better, it's right there for you to play instead. Or hell, you could play both. You have two subs here, so you could just cancel one and pay for your WoW sub with that money and enjoy WoW all the time and FFXIV when there are patches or whatever and you have content you like to do for a few weeks.

I literally just mentioned I do play both by the way, and doubt about people playing FFXIV for its content, aside from a week once every 6 months, this game is completely barren content wise except maybe on Aether because it has all the datacenters converged on there.

[Renathras]

Exactly, so just say you want to play a social hangout simulator and stop calling WoW's zones dead, it's fine to me I really dont care, but dont come out and start blasting at a game that does content better by saying "irrelevant zones are dead oh no" when it isnt the focus of the game, literally no one cares about leveling in WoW, it's done as fast as possible to max level to join endgame activities, period.

It doesn't do content better.

It just does the content you enjoy in a way that you subjectively find better.

Those are two very different statements. But again, if you like it better...why do you have two paid accounts here instead of one there and one here, or none here and two there?

EDIT:

I literally just mentioned I do play both by the way, and doubt about people playing FFXIV for its content, aside from a week once every 6 months, this game is completely barren content wise except maybe on Aether because it has all the datacenters converged on there.

You can doubt all you want, that's just stupid. You think hundreds of thousands of people play a game and not ONE of them does so for its content? Does that REALLY sound logical to you?

There's tons of content in this game to do for people that enjoy it. There are people that spend months clearing PotD, or doing it with every single Job. And that's just ONE thing. "barren" doesn't seem to mean what you think it means, and the "everything's on Aether" is a meme. I'm on Primal and don't DC travel and there are pages of PF every time I log in.

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Are you even reading me ? I already said I play both, also yes I want more endgame content so I do play both at once, don't see the issue with that, since FFXIV is so damn barren with content and people cant handle a single grind once every few years apparently since they have to play their entire steam library and "dont have time"

You posted into an edit after I posted. If you posted it before, it must have been in one of your walls of text.

[Stormpeaks]

It doesn't do content better.

It just does the content you enjoy in a way that you subjectively find better.

Those are two very different statements. But again, if you like it better...why do you have two paid accounts here instead of one there and one here, or none here and two there?

Are you even reading me ? I already said I play both, also yes I want more endgame content so I do play both at once, don't see the issue with that, since FFXIV is so damn barren with content and people cant handle a single grind once every few years apparently since they have to play their entire steam library and "dont have time"

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Exactly, so just say you want to play a social hangout simulator and stop calling WoW's zones dead, it's fine to me I really dont care, but dont come out and start blasting at a game that does content better by saying "irrelevant zones are dead oh no" when it isnt the focus of the game, literally no one cares about leveling in WoW, it's done as fast as possible to max level to join endgame activities, period.



I literally just mentioned I do play both by the way, and doubt about people playing FFXIV for its content, aside from a week once every 6 months, this game is completely barren content wise except maybe on Aether because it has all the datacenters converged on there.

It's a fact. The zones ARE dead. That's content that players cannot do, even if they wanted to, as they were designed to be where all players are funneled to. Then when the new on patch content came out, those zones weren't re-scaled to compensate for no one being there anymore.

You clearly know far less than I about WoW. I doubt you've even played Dragonflight. Yet you have the audacity to try and lecture me? Grow up.

And "activities"? M+ is the only activity that sees any real use and that's because it's the best way to gear. Players complain about it all the time. Raiding guilds died out because M+ was just better and they can see the story in LFR. Raiders are forced to do M+ as well, just so they can Raid. M+ gamers don't have to Raid to stay geared. See the problem?

[Stormpeaks]

It's a fact. The zones ARE dead. That's content that players cannot do, even if they wanted to, as they were designed to be where all players are funneled to. Then when the new on patch content came out, those zones weren't re-scaled to compensate for no one being there anymore.

You clearly know far less than I about WoW. I doubt you've even played Dragonflight. Yet you have the audacity to try and lecture me? Grow up.

Yeah you're coping there buddy, the zones aint dead, you can do anything just fine, will it feel a bit lonely ? absolutely, but any endgame content zone (the cooking event etc) has a lot of people there, stop playing on a dead server maybe. You're literally coping. And yes I do play DF, on a high population server so I have no issue doing anything.

The only empty places are leveling zones, because as I said no one cares about them, people rush rush to max level to reach endgame content.

and no, I dont see the problem with M+, it's booming every day, and so is the raiding tab of group finder, dont see why that's a problem, people are happy enough to do it so ? I have a guild that does M+ as well and some side raiding as I pug a lot of the time, and have 0 issues doing so.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Yeah you're coping there buddy, the zones aint dead, you can do anything just fine, will it feel a bit lonely ? absolutely, but any endgame content zone (the cooking event etc) has a lot of people there, stop playing on a dead server maybe. You're literally coping. And yes I do play DF, on a high population server so I have no issue doing anything.

The only empty places are leveling zones, because as I said no one cares about them, people rush rush to max level to reach endgame content.

and no, I dont see the problem with M+, it's booming every day, and so is the raiding tab of group finder, dont see why that's a problem, people are happy enough to do it so ? I have a guild that does M+ as well and some side raiding as I pug a lot of the time, and have 0 issues doing so.

It's clear that you haven't played WoW in awhile. I also noticed that you ignored the rampant RMT that happens in WoW and how damaging the WoW Token is. I can literally buy WoW Tokens then have one of the few remaining top Guilds, as most are dead thanks to M+, carry me and get me all the cheevos in a month - if that.

And no, those end game zones don't have people there. You are simply clueless and haven't said a single fact about the game you're so passionately trying to defend. It's almost impressive how confident you are in how incorrect you are.