Please dont bring back Relic Quest Zones

[TaleraRistain]

Remove the part where you work and group together in content for such rewards and progression like Eureka and Bozja, or hell even including the option to not do so, would near kill the actual socialization aspect, which is part of the appeal to begin with.

If the content isn't for me, and I don't like it, I don't do it. That's why I haven't done Island Sanctuary. Not every single thing in this game has to be centered with single player in mind. I'm playing an MMO, I want at least some content where I need to group up and work with others in an open zone that actually feels like a threat. The relics, the armor or glam that comes with these just happens to be perfect motivaters alongside the progression and just giving me that classic MMO feel. It is literally one piece of content compared to the rest of the game which is by far some of the most accessible content I've ever seen, let us that enjoy this have it.

I've said this in the past and I will here. You should be able to get the relic with another method outside of these zones, not just one or the other. There's plenty of other content with other rewards.

So would you be okay with not having the relic questline associated with it? It can be an option to complete steps, but have the relic questline as its own thing, not tied to the zones? I've seen a lot of people who support Eureka and Bozja but also want to force others into this content because they think the relic should belong exclusively to it now, nevermind that it was only that way for 2 expansions.

[Zairava]

So would you be okay with not having the relic questline associated with it? It can be an option to complete steps, but have the relic questline as its own thing, not tied to the zones? I've seen a lot of people who support Eureka and Bozja but also want to force others into this content because they think the relic should belong exclusively to it now, nevermind that it was only that way for 2 expansions.

For clarification, I want the relic to be tied to it but ALSO provide another means of getting outside of it for the people disinterested in that content.

So let me bring Eureka for example. Eureka is by far my favorite relic acquisition and progression in the game. People who want to get them through the Eureka would be able to do so.

Now lets say that they ALSO have another method of obtaining them..lets say 2000 of the former tome currency NOT poetics, people who prefer that can do so.

[Pip_Chick]

I think the Eureka and Bozja style content is great! Though I have not had the chance to finish Eureka, I utterly loved Bozja. I was pretty casual in it too, but I enjoyed the community aspect as well as the nice difficulty it had. The dungeons were some of the best I went through, though I wished you could've cued for them like a normal dungeon instead of waiting for them to spawn and hoping that it filled up.
I do agree that they should probably add more variety to it as well. I would say that something that would combine Bozja's skirmishes with hunt trains instead of Fates could be interesting. Something like hunting for these monsters across the map that could be soloed at higher levels, but needing a group early on could be interesting. And if you defeat enough mobs you might get invited by something like a noble Monster who would challenge your might in a 1v1 like the duels in Bozja. Just an idea.

Regardless, even if some don't enjoy this kind of more grindy content, it should still be made for people who do.

[TaleraRistain]

For clarification, I want the relic to be tied to it but ALSO provide another means of getting outside of it for the people disinterested in that content.

This is the illusion of choice really because it's still tied to content they're not interested in. Exploratory zones can still have good rewards. They don't need the relics tied to them.

[Supersnow845]

This is the illusion of choice really because it's still tied to content they're not interested in. Exploratory zones can still have good rewards. They don't need the relics tied to them.

Okay let’s say we repeated the resistance relics, however you no longer needed to progress Bozja to advance them, the quest is immediately available in gangos, the step to progress all the way to DRN is removed and the timeworn artefact step is rebalanced so it has better options than DRN or bash your head against POTD

would you be fine with that, you can get your relic and never look at Bozja, but if I want to do Bozja I can also get my relic from doing Bozja

[TaleraRistain]

Okay let’s say we repeated the resistance relics, however you no longer needed to progress Bozja to advance them, the quest is immediately available in gangos, the step to progress all the way to DRN is removed and the timeworn artefact step is rebalanced so it has better options than DRN or bash your head against POTD

would you be fine with that, you can get your relic and never look at Bozja, but if I want to do Bozja I can also get my relic from doing Bozja

Yes, since players would have options available to them and would be able to engage with the content they wanted to while also enjoying the story presented in the relic questline. I can recognize that the tome method is kind of giving people what they asked for, but I'd hope next expansion things are a little more structured. I think most players are okay with specific options but just want them to be balanced and not heavily limited. The timeworn step is a good example of how not to do it. The raw emotion step after it did a much better job of giving players more ways to gain the items.

When this topic comes up, there's often the statement like the one I was quoting where the idea is that relics absolutely have to be tied to the zone. I even see people who have gotten kind of snotty about it saying things like "If you want the relic you have to do the zone and work for it". So in many cases it feels rather punitive. "You don't like the content I like so I'm going to make you do it if you want this nice thing that lots of people like". Like they want to both gatekeep the relic reward and punish other players because they like something else. But there's zero reason to make people go there if they don't like it if the zone is designed well and has good rewards on its own.

[Zairava]

This is the illusion of choice really because it's still tied to content they're not interested in. Exploratory zones can still have good rewards. They don't need the relics tied to them.

Alright so I'm going to have to restate what I meant.

When I meant tying the relics to the zone, all it meant was that the people who wanted to do it through doing the zone could do it that way.

If you wanted to go get your relics through Eureka, do it. If you wanted to get your relics through tomes, do it.

You would be able to get your relic without being required to do Eureka at all. Pretty much what supersnow suggested after me but with different examples and worded better.

[TaleraRistain]

Alright so I'm going to have to restate what I meant.

When I meant tying the relics to the zone, all it meant was that the people who wanted to do it through doing the zone could do it that way.

If you wanted to go get your relics through Eureka, do it. If you wanted to get your relics through tomes, do it.

You would be able to get your relic without being required to do Eureka at all. Pretty much what supersnow suggested after me but with different examples and worded better.

Yep, a separate questline that stands on its own but offers a variety of options including steps where an option is exploratory zone content. Something like the crystal sand step in HW. You could adventure, you could craft, you could turn in materia, you could get items from levequests, etc. ARR and HW and ShB non-Bozja options also included daily roulettes at times. So you could grind X or Y to get it all at once or passively get completion on some steps just doing normal things.

One thing I think they did wrong with resistance weapons was that inside Bozja options were worse than out of Bozja options. Some out of Bozja options were guaranteed while Bozja options still had RNG involved. That made no sense to me. I don't think Bozja should have been better. They should have been equal in viability. I don't mind if they bring exploratory content back. I just don't want relic zones anymore. I want to choose to engage with that content if it appeals to me and find something else to engage with if it doesn't.

[AstreMcClain]

I don't mind if they bring exploratory content back. I just don't want relic zones anymore. I want to choose to engage with that content if it appeals to me and find something else to engage with if it doesn't.

YES! Hard agree, I don't find the exploration zones too terribly entertaining- I like running dungeon/trial content, not fate farming (I haven't even finished Eureka at all because of it. That and despite me asking for rezzes roughly about every three and a half minutes, nobody came to help me when enemies K.O.d me while trying to get story parts done and I De-Leveled 3 times from it.) I like the Tombstone Idea as a break from Eureka/Bozja, but I also think should have added the "Collect Items" thing that people like to make sure it wasn't quiet as brain dead as some people say.