Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
So what if you need to join a discord outside the game to run the content, it’s an MMO you are supposed to team up with people and work with them, this whole idea that everything should be doable solo or with a set of randoms in PF is half the problem with 14, it’s the same as people who go into eureka, find it obtuse, don’t ask for help then complain eureka is obtuse, eureka is designed around cooperation and the fact that people like cooperating and helping is why eureka continues to live on and why people can still access it whenever they want

And I’ve never met a BA group who doesn’t let you chat (unless you want to talk about your dog during ozma calls), talk to the BA hosts and leaders, they are nice people and do the content because they like it

I still don’t see this as an argument against eureka’s longevity, it’s the oldest content run daily that isn’t on a roulette
Again, the problem is because of the very gated nature of BA because of its complex and difficulty, its not even a fun thing because you're being solely carried and you're expected to not goof around and shut up and follow the raid leaders like an oiled machine. This feeling doesnt happen at all with CLL, Dalriada and Delibrum Reginae where because the content isnt so restrictive, people have more personal agency which is the ideal in an MMO space. I dont want to sound like I'm giving flak to the discord people who do BA runs because like I said, without them, BA would just be dead, but at the same time I blame its terrible design that forces the content to be ran this way. Its not fully fun. Most people who do BA are mostly just glad they're done and over with it, got their Ozma mount and leave Eureka. And again, the fact that BA is solefully ran by very few dedicated discords groups doesnt speak to how well it does for the majority of the playerbase. Eureka still has a bad stigma because of how tedious, long and boring it is.

Also ok, you say this is an MMO and I'm supposed to team up with people. Alright lets say I do that. Can I grab a few of my buddies and do BA by ourselves for the heck of it? No? Whats that, if I do so, we mess up those dedicate discord groups of their schedule because theres only 1 BA instance? Oh Im sorry I guess I cant.