Please dont bring back Relic Quest Zones

[Atelier-Bagur]

^the fact that BA is still run every day on most servers shows that eureka has a longevity that outlives most other content, BA vets Hoover up logos so there is already demand and money to be made and new people constantly join wanting their ozma mount

How can we look at a large extreme raid from 4 years ago still run multiple times per day and call the content lacking in longevity

People don’t even run the variant that was released 2 weeks ago

The only reason BA outlasted in its longevity is because the process of actually doing it and clearing it is gated very hard behind a niche group of people. You're pretty much forced to go outside the game, join a specific discord and get into a BA run where you're being lead and carried by a group of very dedicated people whom bless their hearts are the only reason why that content is still doable for the majority of the playerbase who delve into Eureka for the first time. Do note that only BA is part of this. Thank goodness the other raids like CLL, Dalriada and Delibrum Reginae arent as obtuse to actually get in and do (you only need to shoot up a PF for DR)

Also god forbid any hapless group tries to do BA by themselves because these same group of people hold all the cards for these runs practically holding rights and reservations for anyone doing BA; and that in of itself I wouldnt call a good designed content. Why do you think they never tried to replicate it with Bozja and made the raid more streamlined? Granted BA is fun! but like I said, for most of the playerbase, its a hard requirement for you to join these groups where you cant even chat with the raid leaders and expect you to mute your mic so it kinda also fails a little bit of the social aspect of it. Im not blaming these guys at all btw, Im grateful for what they do and they HAVE to actually put in these restrictions for carries because of the nature of the content.

The reason why variants die quickly is because anyone can easily get to it with or without a group; as well as there is a manageable completion aspect to the content that doesnt overstay its welcome. Its not designed to be grinded out for the long term (despite its potsherd rewards).

[Supersnow845]

The only reason BA outlasted in its longevity is because the process of actually doing it and clearing it is gated very hard behind a niche group of people. You're pretty much forced to go outside the game, join a specific discord and get into a BA run where you're being lead and carried by a group of very dedicated people whom bless their hearts are the only reason why that content is still doable for the majority of the playerbase who delve into Eureka for the first time. Do note that only BA is part of this. Thank goodness the other raids like CLL, Dalriada and Delibrum Reginae arent as obtuse to actually get in and do (you only need to shoot up a PF for DR)

Also god forbid any hapless group tries to do BA by themselves because these same group of people hold all the cards for these runs practically holding rights and reservations for anyone doing BA; and that in of itself I wouldnt call a good designed content. Why do you think they never tried to replicate it with Bozja and made the raid more streamlined? Granted BA is fun! but like I said, for most of the playerbase, its a hard requirement for you to join these groups where you cant even chat with the raid leaders and expect you to mute your mic so it kinda also fails a little bit of the social aspect of it. Im not blaming these guys at all btw, Im grateful for what they do and they HAVE to actually put in these restrictions for carries because of the nature of the content.

The reason why variants die quickly is because anyone can easily get to it with or without a group; as well as there is a manageable completion aspect to the content that doesnt overstay its welcome. Its not designed to be grinded out for the long term (despite its potsherd rewards).

So what if you need to join a discord outside the game to run the content, it’s an MMO you are supposed to team up with people and work with them, this whole idea that everything should be doable solo or with a set of randoms in PF is half the problem with 14, it’s the same as people who go into eureka, find it obtuse, don’t ask for help then complain eureka is obtuse, eureka is designed around cooperation and the fact that people like cooperating and helping is why eureka continues to live on and why people can still access it whenever they want

And I’ve never met a BA group who doesn’t let you chat (unless you want to talk about your dog during ozma calls), talk to the BA hosts and leaders, they are nice people and do the content because they like it

I still don’t see this as an argument against eureka’s longevity, it’s the oldest content run daily that isn’t on a roulette

[Atelier-Bagur]

So what if you need to join a discord outside the game to run the content, it’s an MMO you are supposed to team up with people and work with them, this whole idea that everything should be doable solo or with a set of randoms in PF is half the problem with 14, it’s the same as people who go into eureka, find it obtuse, don’t ask for help then complain eureka is obtuse, eureka is designed around cooperation and the fact that people like cooperating and helping is why eureka continues to live on and why people can still access it whenever they want

And I’ve never met a BA group who doesn’t let you chat (unless you want to talk about your dog during ozma calls), talk to the BA hosts and leaders, they are nice people and do the content because they like it

I still don’t see this as an argument against eureka’s longevity, it’s the oldest content run daily that isn’t on a roulette

Again, the problem is because of the very gated nature of BA because of its complex and difficulty, its not even a fun thing because you're being solely carried and you're expected to not goof around and shut up and follow the raid leaders like an oiled machine. This feeling doesnt happen at all with CLL, Dalriada and Delibrum Reginae where because the content isnt so restrictive, people have more personal agency which is the ideal in an MMO space. I dont want to sound like I'm giving flak to the discord people who do BA runs because like I said, without them, BA would just be dead, but at the same time I blame its terrible design that forces the content to be ran this way. Its not fully fun. Most people who do BA are mostly just glad they're done and over with it, got their Ozma mount and leave Eureka. And again, the fact that BA is solefully ran by very few dedicated discords groups doesnt speak to how well it does for the majority of the playerbase. Eureka still has a bad stigma because of how tedious, long and boring it is.

Also ok, you say this is an MMO and I'm supposed to team up with people. Alright lets say I do that. Can I grab a few of my buddies and do BA by ourselves for the heck of it? No? Whats that, if I do so, we mess up those dedicate discord groups of their schedule because theres only 1 BA instance? Oh Im sorry I guess I cant.

[Supersnow845]

Again, the problem is because of the very gated nature of BA because of its complex and difficulty, its not even a fun thing because you're being solely carried and you're expected to not goof around and shut up and follow the raid leaders like an oiled machine. This feeling doesnt happen at all with CLL, Dalriada and Delibrum Reginae where because the content isnt so restrictive, people have more personal agency which is the ideal in an MMO space. I dont want to sound like I'm giving flak to the discord people who do BA runs because like I said, without them, BA would just be dead, but at the same time I blame its terrible design that forces the content to be ran this way. Its not fully fun. Most people who do BA are mostly just glad they're done and over with it, got their Ozma mount and leave Eureka. And again, the fact that BA is solefully ran by very few dedicated discords groups doesnt speak to how well it does for the majority of the playerbase. Eureka still has a bad stigma because of how tedious, long and boring it is.

Also ok, you say this is an MMO and I'm supposed to team up with people. Alright lets say I do that. Can I grab a few of my buddies and do BA by ourselves for the heck of it? No? Whats that, if I do so, we mess up those dedicate discord groups of their schedule because theres only 1 BA instance? Oh Im sorry I guess I cant.

The BA groups enforce people to run a particular way because if you go in and mess around like in CLL you will just get smacked by a rouge mob and die and then a healer has to spend a lot of money getting you up off the floor, and if you get smacked by an annoying mob (like a sprite or centaur) then you are endangering the entire group

And oh the front of “can I just get some buddies together and do a run” yes you can, just ask the discord for your server, they will make space if you want to do a private run, again it’s not hard to ask. This is what eureka is

[Winterfang]

And oh the front of “can I just get some buddies together and do a run” yes you can, just ask the discord for your server, they will make space if you want to do a private run

I mean, if at that point you generally have enough people to run BA without the Discord Group help, it's possible that you'll get punted into a new instance that was forced to be created. Sometimes I get into a Hydados alone or with a handful of a few additional people because it exploded with activity. Sometimes happens in Pagos too thanks to cassie.

[Atelier-Bagur]

The BA groups enforce people to run a particular way because if you go in and mess around like in CLL you will just get smacked by a rouge mob and die and then a healer has to spend a lot of money getting you up off the floor, and if you get smacked by an annoying mob (like a sprite or centaur) then you are endangering the entire group

And oh the front of “can I just get some buddies together and do a run” yes you can, just ask the discord for your server, they will make space if you want to do a private run, again it’s not hard to ask. This is what eureka is

"Just ask the discord for your server, they will make space if you want to do a private-" Im not even gonna finish that statement that you just said...because are you actually kidding me? Do you not HEAR yourself how ridiculous that premise is? Imagine if all content is designed in such a restrictive way. And thank you SO MUCH for proving my point for why the BA groups enforce people to run the content is such a way...because its not well designed at all! Actually you know what, the design would be actually fine...if BA actually allowed you to form your own party and do the content yourself, at your own pace without messing up the instance for the rest of the players.

I ask you again, pleeeease tell why do you think the devs didnt repeat this level of restriction for CLL, Dalriada and Delibrum? Why do you think they made it more accessible?

[Supersnow845]

"Just ask the discord for your server, they will make space if you want to do a private-" Im not even gonna finish that statement that you just said...because are you actually kidding me? Do you not HEAR yourself how ridiculous that premise is? Imagine if all content is designed in such a restrictive way. And thank you SO MUCH for proving my point for why the BA groups enforce people to run the content is such a way...because its not well designed at all! Actually you know what, the design would be actually fine...if BA actually allowed you to form your own party and do the content yourself, at your own pace without messing up the instance for the rest of the players.

I ask you again, pleeeease tell why do you think the devs didnt repeat this level of restriction for CLL, Dalriada and Delibrum? Why do you think they made it more accessible?

Have you heard of delubrum savage

And yes this kind of content is peak MMO content, discuss and work with other people, that’s how MMO’s work

[AwesomeJr44]

"Just ask the discord for your server, they will make space if you want to do a private-" Im not even gonna finish that statement that you just said...because are you actually kidding me? Do you not HEAR yourself how ridiculous that premise is? Imagine if all content is designed in such a restrictive way. And thank you SO MUCH for proving my point for why the BA groups enforce people to run the content is such a way...because its not well designed at all! Actually you know what, the design would be actually fine...if BA actually allowed you to form your own party and do the content yourself, at your own pace without messing up the instance for the rest of the players.

Oh no. The content designed to emulate an MMO expects you to play as if you were playing an MMO. Whatever shall we do. It's such a catastrophe. We're all going to die. The sky is falling. It's the final days part two.

Have you heard of delubrum savage

Don't tell them, it might break their brain.

You're not going to do those raids anyways so why do you care? Go back to doing MSQ on your fifth alt.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Oh no. The content designed to emulate an MMO expects you to play as if you were playing an MMO. Whatever shall we do. It's such a catastrophe. We're all going to die. The sky is falling. It's the final days part two.

Just saying...the most popular MMO back in the day. World of Warcraft didnt design their raids to be run by a niche group of guilds. Any guild could do the raid without screwing up the instance for other people.

[TaleraRistain]

And oh the front of “can I just get some buddies together and do a run” yes you can, just ask the discord for your server, they will make space if you want to do a private run, again it’s not hard to ask. This is what eureka is

Atelier has a good point about Bozja raids versus Eureka. They don't seem to have repeated this exact design. Yes, they have DRS but that's something where you gather people and queue up for it not the succession of events needed to unlock BA. I very much doubt it was SE's intention that a group of players in Discords have this much power and authority over content that SE developed. They want players to try their content and have been doing more things to encourage the ability to PUG. Look at the raid planner they're going to add for 7.0. That will be a huge assistance to PUG raiding since organized groups were already using tools like that. I find it unlikely even if they did bring back field content that we'd see something with the complexity in level of access that BA has.