4-month patch cycle was a lie. It's almost 4.5 months now.

[Atelier-Bagur]

DSR was meant for ShB, TOP from what I've heard, was possibly worst ultimate. Trial storyline being integrated to MSQ is still net negative. It always had separate story, so instead of trial + MSQ we get MSQ only. And that MSQ is mediocre on top of that.

EO is just another DD, which has nothing innovative in it, it's just reskin. V&C fell flat because of terrible rewards, and they haven't learned or updated anything when they released Rokkon. IS is simply barebones, you click on nodes, and do some spreadsheets, all systems in it are extremely shallow. It had updates, but none of them were game changer, it still lacks the meat. PvP rework was good, but it just needs more to it. Servers are terrible for PvP, and stun locks are prevalent, it needs more updates and not just some job balancing and more maps.

Duty support, well, that's just making single player game out of MMORPG, which is questionable to say the least. They removed some good mechanics from dungeons just so the AI can handle it. The cool Yeti boss fight in Snowcloak, where you were building snowballs and then kicked it into boss? That's gone, amongst others.

I really hate that this game attracts people who never played and never liked MMORPGs. Grinds are building stone of this genre. Important is that there are good grinds and bad grinds. Just because there was bad grind once, you would rather not see any grind ever again? And if you did relics in ShB, then why? You acknowledge it's waste of your time, so why were you doing it? Why didn't you just play another game?

Because I wanted the reward? If grinds are such an integral part of the MMO genre then why are the playerbases for WoW, ESO, Lost Ark and heck this ain't an MMO but it tries to be one somehow Diablo 4 so sick and tired of these grindy systems?

Look around you, people are getting tired of being bound by endless grinds good or bad. This is not me saying that everything must be given instantly like how simple the EW relics have been buy regressing back to older grinder systems for the sake of retention is such a serious case of Stockholms Syndrome that I'm legit worried that you need to go sick a psychiatrist for help.

[Deo14]

Because I wanted the reward? If grinds are such an integral part of the MMO genre then why are the playerbases for WoW, ESO, Lost Ark and heck this ain't an MMO but it tries to be one somehow Diablo 4 so sick and tired of these grindy systems?

Look around you, people are getting tired of being bound by endless grinds good or bad. This is not me saying that everything must be given instantly like how simple the EW relics have been buy regressing back to older grinder systems for the sake of retention is such a serious case of Stockholms Syndrome that I'm legit worried that you need to go sick a psychiatrist for help.

I would recommend you not to play MMORPGs if you don't like grinds. If you want instant rewards and dopamine shots, you have wide selections of games on your disposal. Just play other games. Feels good to say this buzz phrases after it was directed to me numerous times because I'm so unreasonable by wanting MMORPG to have at least a hint of MMORPG in it.

Do you want reward? Then work for it. Why is this such an alien concept for some? Do you not want to? Nobody is forcing you, relics are irrelevant, they're bis only at .55, but at that point, no content where gear matters is relevant.

Did you never had that great feeling after completing long grind? I have 5 legendaries in GW2, all of them were hard earned, each one was long months of playing (granted, that game handles grinding in much more entertaining way than FFXIV does). After I complete one, I'm finally satisfied, my hard work pay'd off. Next day, I start working on a new one.

But most importantly, you have so much non-grindy content in whole game. Dungeons, MSQ, normal raids, whatever, why can't we have at least one last bastion of what MMORPG is supposed to be?

So yeah, that's my answer, go play some zoomer game with instant gratification and participation awards, you will fit perfectly into these toxic communities, especially with your last sentence.



There's also another more straightforward answer right below your comment:

Most gamers now want instant rewards and gratification and handed things then sit in limsa rather then actually do content and grind. I miss the old days of mmos where there was grinds and if you didn't want to grind there was still things you could find to do or just chat.

[Nebelheim]

There's sufficient answer right below your comment:


But my personal answer would be recommending you not to play MMORPGs if you don't like grinds. If you want instant rewards and dopamine shots, you have wide selections of games on your disposal. Just play other games. Feels good to say this buzz phrases after it was directed to me numerous times because I'm so unreasonable by wanting MMORPG to have at least a hint of MMORPG in it.

Do you want reward? Then work for it. Why is this such an alien concept for some? Do you not want to? Nobody is forcing you, relics are irrelevant, they're bis only at .55, but at that point, no content where gear matters is relevant.

Did you never had that great feeling after completing long grind? I have 5 legendaries in GW2, all of them were hard earned, each one was long months of playing (granted, that game handles grinding in much more entertaining way than FFXIV does). After I complete one, I'm finally satisfied, my hard work pay'd off. Next day, I start working on a new one.

But most importantly, you have so much non-grindy content in whole game. Dungeons, MSQ, normal raids, whatever, why can't we have at least one last bastion of what MMORPG is supposed to be?

So yeah, that's my answer, go play some zoomer game with instant gratification and participation awards, you will fit perfectly into these toxic communities, especially with your last sentence.

I was saying i want more grinds and prefer having grinds I'm not against grinds. I was just bringing up modern gaming in general and how much easier things in games became and want to go back to when mmo games were grindy.

[Deo14]

I was saying i want more grinds and prefer having grinds I'm not against grinds. I was just bringing up modern gaming in general and how much easier things in games became and want to go back to when mmo games were grindy.

I meant it as answer for atelier, I was just putting your comment in since it said pretty much what I wanted to say. I'll make it swap places so it's more obvious.

[Nebelheim]

I meant it as answer for atelier, I was just putting your comment in since it said pretty much what I wanted to say. I'll make it swap places so it's more obvious.

Oh at first i wasn't sure if you meant it for me or them and misunderstood who it was for.