4-month patch cycle was a lie. It's almost 4.5 months now.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Mind telling me your calculations? Did you count .55 as major patch?
2.0 was released in 27/8/2013, 6.4 in 23/5/2023, that's 3556 days.

Major patches are :
2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4, 2.5,
3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5,
4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 4.5,
5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.5,
6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 6.3, 6.4 = 28 patches

Average between each patch, including X.5 to Y.0, is 127 days. In-expansion patches have average of 118. This is of course, assuming that ChatGPT gave me right release dates and I didn't do mistakes:



Before someone gets the misconception that I'm demanding that devs hurry up or whatever, I'm just pointing out the fact that patches do take longer, even longer than they said they will, while quality is noticeably worse. Right now EW is at worse pace than even ShB's Covid pace for some reason, and content doesn't reflect the added time to it. The "they take more time to check everything is working" doesn't even apply, EW patches do lack QA, as we can see from numerous bugs EW had. I'm not trying to bring the game down, I just want to have back the better standards, instead of settling on mediocrity.

I would agree with this if only for the fact that you're forgetting that Shb only real content was Bozja and even then that was just watered down but digestible version of Eureka with 2 zones compared to the 4.

They all suck anyway but Shb had less variety in its content than EW. What standards are we comparing with Shadowbringers?

[kaynide]

On a serious note: You have the option to play other games. And if you're unsatisfied with what this one puts out over some amount of time, nobody is forcing you to play this game/keep your sub.

In fact, the devs regularly encourage you to step back and take a break as you want.

"But oh noes! Whad about mah house!?!?"; If having a house is that important to you, then yeah, pay up.

[Darkobra]

I know this is meant to upset people. But if you go from 2.0 to 7.0 release date, the average actually is 5 months. Give or take a few days depending on how far they stretch summer.

It's funny to see all these 2023 join dates acting like this is new.

[Deo14]

I would agree with this if only for the fact that you're forgetting that Shb only real content was Bozja and even then that was just watered down but digestible version of Eureka with 2 zones compared to the 4.

They all suck anyway but Shb had less variety in its content than EW. What standards are we comparing with Shadowbringers?

"We" are not comparing any standards, but if you mean me, then it's tricky to make comparisons with ShB, because it was affected by Covid. Since covid is irrelevant now, but we still have same patch cycles, I would expect EW to be noticeably better than ShB, yet we don't even have trial storyline, relic weapons were implemented in the least creative way possible, we have no relic armor sets, we have job design and balance issues, and all 3 new varied contents have serious design flaws.

On a serious note: You have the option to play other games. And if you're unsatisfied with what this one puts out over some amount of time, nobody is forcing you to play this game/keep your sub.

In fact, the devs regularly encourage you to step back and take a break as you want.

"But oh noes! Whad about mah house!?!?"; If having a house is that important to you, then yeah, pay up.

TL;DR: Don't keep your hopes and expectations up, settle with mediocrity.

[Atelier-Bagur]

"We" are not comparing any standards, but if you mean me, then it's tricky to make comparisons with ShB, because it was affected by Covid. Since covid is irrelevant now, but we still have same patch cycles, I would expect EW to be noticeably better than ShB, yet we don't even have trial storyline, relic weapons were implemented in the least creative way possible, we have no relic armor sets, we have job design and balance issues, and all 3 new varied contents have serious design flaws.



TL;DR: Don't keep your hopes and expectations up, settle with mediocrity.

We had 2 Ultimates, Trial series being integrated into the MSQ, a new Deep Dungeon, 2 new pieces of content that's constantly getting updated, PvP rework, old msq dungeons being Duty Supported for new players.

Tell me where the mediocrity is? Oh the fact that Bozja and the Shb relic had you waste so much of your time in many of its steps? Bozja's saving grace was its 2 raids. I'm not counting DR because that boss gauntlet became a snore fest in how long and boring it gets once you know the mechanics and made even longer if parties don't take advantage of essences. Also the fact that you had to run it 7 or so times for a single relic killed any satisfaction and fun the raid had, which thankfully wasn't the case for CLL and Dalriada where you didn't had to run it as much.

Let's also not forget the dreaded memory grinds with spamming Antitower, having to farm specific items from fates in specific sections of each zone....which gets worse because 90% of Zadnor players congregate in z3 instead of z1 or z2. And then ofcourse having to spam old raids too.

Grinds are such an outdated and terrible design that KILLS the fun of these content systems. If they lessened it, then these steps would've been fun.

Stop promoting grind as if they're of quality. This is the same argument over dunderheads arguing over how 100+ hours in a game is considered quality when all of that time is just padded out mindless garbage. You're the one supporting mediocrity here friend.

[jameseoakes]

"We" are not comparing any standards, but if you mean me, then it's tricky to make comparisons with ShB, because it was affected by Covid. Since covid is irrelevant now, but we still have same patch cycles, I would expect EW to be noticeably better than ShB, yet we don't even have trial storyline, relic weapons were implemented in the least creative way possible, we have no relic armor sets, we have job design and balance issues, and all 3 new varied contents have serious design flaws.



TL;DR: Don't keep your hopes and expectations up, settle with mediocrity.

It's been really odd as we had Covid to explain the weakness in the 5.X patch content but EW has even less effort despite not having that as an excuse at best EW has the same amount of content as ShB just done in a way that it doesn't have much life after the initial rush leaving the game feeling barren for weeks

[Deo14]

We had 2 Ultimates, Trial series being integrated into the MSQ, a new Deep Dungeon, 2 new pieces of content that's constantly getting updated, PvP rework, old msq dungeons being Duty Supported for new players.

Tell me where the mediocrity is? Oh the fact that Bozja and the Shb relic had you waste so much of your time in many of its steps? Bozja's saving grace was its 2 raids. I'm not counting DR because that boss gauntlet became a snore fest in how long and boring it gets once you know the mechanics and made even longer if parties don't take advantage of essences. Also the fact that you had to run it 7 or so times for a single relic killed any satisfaction and fun the raid had, which thankfully wasn't the case for CLL and Dalriada where you didn't had to run it as much.

Let's also not forget the dreaded memory grinds with spamming Antitower, having to farm specific items from fates in specific sections of each zone....which gets worse because 90% of Zadnor players congregate in z3 instead of z1 or z2. And then ofcourse having to spam old raids too.

Grinds are such an outdated and terrible design that KILLS the fun of these content systems. If they lessened it, then these steps would've been fun.

Stop promoting grind as if they're of quality. This is the same argument over dunderheads arguing over how 100+ hours in a game is considered quality when all of that time is just padded out mindless garbage. You're the one supporting mediocrity here friend.

DSR was meant for ShB, TOP from what I've heard, was possibly worst ultimate. Trial storyline being integrated to MSQ is still net negative. It always had separate story, so instead of trial + MSQ we get MSQ only. And that MSQ is mediocre on top of that.

EO is just another DD, which has nothing innovative in it, it's just reskin. V&C fell flat because of terrible rewards, and they haven't learned or updated anything when they released Rokkon. IS is simply barebones, you click on nodes, and do some spreadsheets, all systems in it are extremely shallow. It had updates, but none of them were game changer, it still lacks the meat. PvP rework was good, but it just needs more to it. Servers are terrible for PvP, and stun locks are prevalent, it needs more updates and not just some job balancing and more maps.

Duty support, well, that's just making single player game out of MMORPG, which is questionable to say the least. They removed some good mechanics from dungeons just so the AI can handle it. The cool Yeti boss fight in Snowcloak, where you were building snowballs and then kicked it into boss? That's gone, amongst others.

I really hate that this game attracts people who never played and never liked MMORPGs. Grinds are building stone of this genre. Important is that there are good grinds and bad grinds. Just because there was bad grind once, you would rather not see any grind ever again? And if you did relics in ShB, then why? You acknowledge it's waste of your time, so why were you doing it? Why didn't you just play another game?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[...]I really hate that this game attracts people who never played and never liked MMORPGs. Grinds are building stone of this genre. Important is that there are good grinds and bad grinds. Just because there was bad grind once, you would rather not see any grind ever again? And if you did relics in ShB, then why? You acknowledge it's waste of your time, so why were you doing it? Why didn't you just play another game?

I'm gonna steal this part of your reply.

[Supersnow845]

On a serious note: You have the option to play other games. And if you're unsatisfied with what this one puts out over some amount of time, nobody is forcing you to play this game/keep your sub.

In fact, the devs regularly encourage you to step back and take a break as you want.

"But oh noes! Whad about mah house!?!?"; If having a house is that important to you, then yeah, pay up.

Why is “I don’t like the direction of the game and want to make a valid complaint” never an option for you people

It’s

1) suck it up

2) leave

Do you understand how customer feedback works, we are the customer here

[Supersnow845]

It's been really odd as we had Covid to explain the weakness in the 5.X patch content but EW has even less effort despite not having that as an excuse at best EW has the same amount of content as ShB just done in a way that it doesn't have much life after the initial rush leaving the game feeling barren for weeks

Square has figured out from 5.x they don’t actually have to put out content, in fact the less content they put out the more it incentivise the “UWU nightclubbing is content” to abuse and misuse yoshi’s famous “go play other content”

Why would you spend time making content when you’ve thoroughly convinced your playerbase that less content somehow makes you a better game because you can pay a subscription to be told to play other games in your backlog