Kill a scion

[JamieRose]

Kill a scion or send him/her far far away for 7.0. It worked with Minfilia and Lyze though...

I dun wanna.

[Amenara]

I'd like to go back to the ARR-SB days of only having one or two Scions around at a time while the others attend to business elsewhere. It gives more room to focus on a smaller cast while also giving more of a feeling of things happening that aren't solely centered around the WoL. It also let us hang out with other people, like Cid in ARR, Estinien and Ysayle in Heavensward, and Gosetsu and Hien in Stormblood.

Having the whole team around for Shadowbringers was fun because it was a change of pace; we'd never really had the full group around for more than a cutscene or two in a row before, so some of them barely got to develop or interact (especially poor Urianger, who rarely did anything in the MSQ up to that point). But after two expansions in a row, it's not fresh anymore. Give us a break for a while.

As much as I am tired of the Scions, this would be preferable to me. I honestly believe that the trust system is plot armor for all of the Scions since they would have to redo all of the older dungeon trusts to account for a Scion death and SE probably wouldn't do that. I think my preferred storyline has us teaming up with Erenville and Krile for the majority of the expansion to develop their characters and change it up. My biggest hope is there being no existential threat this expansion and the majority of it is a build up to a Gulool Ja encounter or some behind the scenes things that are a Tural specific problem and not a world ending threat.

[Absimiliard]

As much as I am tired of the Scions, this would be preferable to me. I honestly believe that the trust system is plot armor for all of the Scions since they would have to redo all of the older dungeon trusts to account for a Scion death and SE probably wouldn't do that.

I don't think they actually would. If you look at how duty support works, it becomes very clear there are many different versions of each character in the game. The ones you see in Trust are separate, and SE has shown in both systems they do have the ability to control which characters are available for what dungeons. So, that in mind, they wouldn't have to change a thing. Regular duty assist kinda takes care of itself already in this regard, yeah? Making it work in Trust is as simple as capping any dead Scions at just below the minimum level for the next dungeon, thereby preventing their use for anything that comes after their death/(s). It's what they did with Ryne. She didn't die, but they capped her at Shadowbingus.

[Amenara]

I don't think they actually would. If you look at how duty support works, it becomes very clear there are many different versions of each character in the game. The ones you see come up in Trust are quite distinct, and they have shown the ability to enable or disable certain Trusts depending on which dungeon you want to do. So, that in mind, they wouldn't have to change a thing. Simply don't permit that particular Scion to exceed the level at which they died in Trust, thereby preventing them from taking part in dungeons they would be dead for.

I think the narrative gets awkward if you are going back to level a new job after you have gotten past the point where someone dies and now all of a sudden they are back for you running a duty support dungeon. I guess that's just an inherent problem with the narrative and duty support in that it really makes no sense as everyone just goes back in time to do it again.

[TheMightyMollusk]

You kind of have to suspend your disbelief when going back to old content out of release order. Imagine a new player going all the way through the Endwalker MSQ, then deciding to go back and do the Warring Triad and wondering why Y'shtola and Urianger are in their old outfits, or Eden and wondering why Thancred and Urianger are still on the First. Or, hell, leveling up in another job, going back to do dragoon, and meeting Estinien as a fugitive in the job quests after already doing the entire MSQ where he's a national hero.

[Absimiliard]

I think the narrative gets awkward if you are going back to level a new job after you have gotten past the point where someone dies and now all of a sudden they are back for you running a duty support dungeon. I guess that's just an inherent problem with the narrative and duty support in that it really makes no sense as everyone just goes back in time to do it again.

Think of it more like replaying the past. You using Trust or duty support to queue for an old dungeon isn't actually your character revisiting it. It's got no bearing on the story at all. So, a dead character still being present for the replay checks out. You're simply redoing it as it was.

[Elissar]

They won't kill a scion
You can accept this fate or defy it, but you can't deny it

[Absimiliard]

They won't kill a scion
You can accept this fate or defy it, but you can't deny it

I can also mock it.

[Koros]

They won't kill a scion
You can accept this fate or defy it, but you can't deny it

Quoting lines from MSQ to use in real conversations with real humans makes you automatically tier SSS cringe

you might ask: omg how can i level up to tier SSSS cringe, start quoting lines from dragonball anime or rick and morty

[Elissar]

Quoting lines from MSQ to use in real conversations with real humans makes you automatically tier SSS cringe

Real conversations...lol
Don't be afraid to embrace your cringe side, my dear Koros
Sometimes you go in and out, 20min adventure. Sometimes you will embrace it for more.