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    Quote Originally Posted by Rithy255 View Post
    At this point I don't think they're going to kill any off and if one does "die" no one will believe it, until they realise it was for real this time!
    Yet if they dont, they will be stuck with poor story writing options. A single death can make everyting uncertain for other scoins, which can help later on in the story. And yes, that means a lore packed character is permanently going to be gone. But this adds a lot of freedom for devs to make new characters to potentialy fill the gap.

    The problem now is that the fake deaths would make even a real death feel like its going to be fake. Thats how bad a single EW section was done. There were many things they could have improved there to get the WoL to be alone. The obvious fake sacrifices only made the entire section a piece of cringe. I was happy once the twins were gone so at least i didnt have to bother waiting for something that was predictable well ahead in time (and because they finaly stopped talking). Even though i knew they would all survive (i didnt even care how, as i knew it was bad story writing anyway), it at least progressed the important part of the story that i cared about.

    A single death can grant massive benefits towards writers, players and the story in general. The greater the character reputation, the more freedom it grants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReynTime View Post
    Endwalker's issues weren't her fault. She was given more freedom in Shadowbringers, but in Endwalker even Yoshida himself interfered in the writing.
    I believed this at some point, but no.
    Most of what I hated about Endwalker was her doing, according to her own answers to interviews and Q&A.
    Hermes? 100% her and she even put more Hermes apologism in Eureka Orthos, completely unprompted. I doubt Yoshi-P tasked her to do that. (She also said before EW that Hermes and Meteion were her favorite characters.)
    The completely out-of-character Emet-Selch speech at the end of Ultima Thule where he winks to the camera and hypes future Final Fantasy XIV (tm) content? She actually suggested it to Yoshi-P, not the reverse.

    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    You're assuming much if you're reading the localizations from the original Japanese. Or have you been reading Japanese forum posts complaining about the storyline?
    I have no idea what you're talking about and I suspect this is yet another attempt at silencing opinions.
    But no, you don't need to read the text in its original language to get a grasp of a writer's style. DRK, Stormblood Eastern MSQ, Eureka Orthos, Omega, Shb 5.0 and EW 6.0 are unmistakably her work.
    Look at the parallels between Sidurgu / Rielle, Thancred / Ryne and Hermes / Meteion. Or the bigger focus on emotional and intimate conflicts over worldbuilding in her quests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UkcsAlias View Post
    Yet if they dont, they will be stuck with poor story writing options. A single death can make everyting uncertain for other scoins, which can help later on in the story. And yes, that means a lore packed character is permanently going to be gone. But this adds a lot of freedom for devs to make new characters to potentialy fill the gap.

    The problem now is that the fake deaths would make even a real death feel like its going to be fake. Thats how bad a single EW section was done. There were many things they could have improved there to get the WoL to be alone. The obvious fake sacrifices only made the entire section a piece of cringe. I was happy once the twins were gone so at least i didnt have to bother waiting for something that was predictable well ahead in time (and because they finaly stopped talking). Even though i knew they would all survive (i didnt even care how, as i knew it was bad story writing anyway), it at least progressed the important part of the story that i cared about.

    A single death can grant massive benefits towards writers, players and the story in general. The greater the character reputation, the more freedom it grants.
    Character deaths are most impactful when not expected. So I would say the writing is successful if you no longer expect it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    Character deaths are most impactful when not expected. So I would say the writing is successful if you no longer expect it.
    This is only true if the point of your death scene is shock value.
    My favorite death scenes from the game were the ones for Yotsuyu and Emet-Selch, yet neither were unexpected. Just generally well written.
    (I know I say this after criticizing Ishikawa but when she's good, she's good.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazhar View Post
    This is only true if the point of your death scene is shock value.
    My favorite death scenes from the game were the ones for Yotsuyu and Emet-Selch, yet neither were unexpected. Just generally well written.
    (I know I say this after criticizing Ishikawa but when she's good, she's good.)
    Villains are always expected to die and heros are expected to live. Expecting a villain too die is normal. To me deaths mean more when you suddenly break that story telling trend. Breaking the trend does not nearly as well when its expected.
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    Im going to enjoy my beach episode with my old friends especially G’raha. We can eat tacos together.


    Forcing deaths because they have been around a long time is weird. But these forum always want to force things into the game so not surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyxs View Post
    Im going to enjoy my beach episode with my old friends especially G’raha. We can eat tacos together.


    Forcing deaths because they have been around a long time is weird. But these forum always want to force things into the game so not surprised.
    The G'raha fangirl is a catgirl character. Why im not surprised..
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    Quote Originally Posted by DayHealer View Post
    The G'raha fangirl is a catgirl character. Why im not surprised..
    Did I just witness 2 Miqo'te getting into cat fight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyxs View Post
    Im going to enjoy my beach episode with my old friends especially G’raha. We can eat tacos together.


    Forcing deaths because they have been around a long time is weird. But these forum always want to force things into the game so not surprised.
    That taco was bigger then a Lala.
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    Must find taco stand first thing in Dawntrail..
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