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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    You're running off the assumption that everyone is a bulk crafter. The majority of crafters aren't.

    Who buys 10 Alumen? I do on occasion. Low level leather isn't needed for the items I sell in my market niches but occasionally I will have reason to make something that requires it. I'm not interested in buying a stack of 99 if all I need to make is 8 Toad Leather. I will buy that stack of 10, though.

    There have been times I've gone ahead and gathered that 8 Alumen myself because there weren't enough small stacks available to create the amount I needed or what was there was listed at ridiculous prices.

    Here's what the buik sellers are overlooking - even if some buyers will only buy partial stacks, the bulk buyers are still going to come along to buy up the rest plus more. When I'm on a bulk buying spree, I'm going after multiple stacks and I'll buy up stacks both small and large. You won't be losing out on sales. If anything you'll be gaining them by making it more convenient for the small stack buyers to buy off the marketboard over gathering/making the item themselves.

    The ones who would start missing out on sales are those who sell the short stacks at high prices and almost none of them have been complaining in this thread about the potential loss of income.
    I understand this, and smaller quantities are usually available but you'll typically pay a premium for them. Small quantities of base ingredients isnt cost effective though - whether you're a bulk crafter or not. Buying stacks low and churning the stock gradually is often significantly cheaper.

    Take Dwarven Cotton which is used for a bunch of dwarven threads, mats and gear; and is also part of the BLM style glam sets. On my server a stack of 99 is nearly half the price compared to a stack of 20, and 1/4 of the average individual price.

    It might be in part because they are used in a glam set, but they sell in large quantities and are a fairly stable market. You dont even need to HQ them. So, harvesting enough bolls for a few full stacks of bolls, threads and cloths and putting them as full stacks is worthwhile.

    Lets say I harvest and craft 2 full stacks of bolls, threads and cloths, and a few gear set items. I can list the lot taking up 6 to 10 retainer slots and shift them quickly.

    Or I could split the stacks into 20's taking up 20+ slots which while they will sell I would prefer to use for slower sellers that Im trying to shift. I would also be taking up 5 market board slots instead of 2 for each item which would potentially tank my own market - particularly if everyone followed suit.
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    Last edited by Tiramu; 11-14-2022 at 05:17 AM.
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  2. #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    The ones who would start missing out on sales are those who sell the short stacks at high prices and almost none of them have been complaining in this thread about the potential loss of income.
    Those people aren't complaining here because generally speaking those people aren't serious crafters. The people listing singles or small stacks are much more likely to casual crafters who ended up with some extra mats, or people who came across them randomly (ventures, maps, random desynth, etc.) Those people aren't interested in the market in the first place. They just want all the junk out of their inventories and maybe make some gil in the process.
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  3. #83
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    This thread made me so flabbergasted that I had to actually log in just to comment on this. Using the Market today got really confused why the hell there wasn't a quantity box when trying to buy stuff, then I go search the issue and come across this thread right here.

    Thank god I wasn't playing in 2018 cause I would end up getting myself banned if I had to read all these L takes in real time.

    I just wish I could see what % of people that plays the game even use the forums in the first place cause there's no way this circus is actually the general opinion of the majority of human beings playing this game
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  4. #84
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    You don't get to choose how many cans of coke come in a case. You buy the case or you don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korbei View Post
    You don't get to choose how many cans of coke come in a case. You buy the case or you don't.
    My brother, in which world you can ONLY buy cans in a case??????? The world of FFXIV, I guess. Which is crazy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asatora View Post
    My brother, in which world you can ONLY buy cans in a case??????? The world of FFXIV, I guess. Which is crazy
    Sometimes the store also sells individual cans, which you can buy at higher per unit cost (just like the market board!)

    And sometime they don't. Which sucks, but you're still not allowed to open the case to take only the exact number of cans you want.
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  7. #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brightamethyst View Post
    Sometimes the store also sells individual cans, which you can buy at higher per unit cost (just like the market board!)

    And sometime they don't. Which sucks, but you're still not allowed to open the case to take only the exact number of cans you want.
    At least we agree it sucks, which is the whole point of OP. I was looking for a specific thing, which isn't sold by npcs, at least not for gil, only other whack currencies that I don't even know how to get yet (but that's besides the point)

    I can either submit myself to the goodwill of strangers or go out of my way to level a wholeass job so I can craft it myself.

    You guys love your coke can cases, imagine having to create an entire new beverage company just so you don't have to buy 99 cokes at a time

    Or I could open my own store at home so I can resell the other cans that I don't want, of course

    ...What? You want to get the itens you need and go back to minding your own goddamn business? Well, sucks to suck

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    tbh I'm not even that mad anymore, I probably could find it at a reasonable price in some other DC. It was just shock from being submitted to that horrendous system for the first time
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    Last edited by Asatora; 08-05-2023 at 12:13 PM.

  8. #88
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asatora View Post
    At least we agree it sucks, which is the whole point of OP. I was looking for a specific thing, which isn't sold by npcs, at least not for gil, only other whack currencies that I don't even know how to get yet (but that's besides the point)

    I can either submit myself to the goodwill of strangers or go out of my way to level a wholeass job so I can craft it myself.

    You guys love your coke can cases, imagine having to create an entire new beverage company just so you don't have to buy 99 cokes at a time

    Or I could open my own store at home so I can resell the other cans that I don't want, of course

    ...What? You want to get the itens you need and go back to minding your own goddamn business? Well, sucks to suck

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    tbh I'm not even that mad anymore, I probably could find it at a reasonable price in some other DC. It was just shock from being submitted to that horrendous system for the first time
    I can understand your frustration specially when lvling crafters/gatherers, but honestly not been able to buy few items out of 99 stack is a very good thing. Stacks are usually on deep discount, you probably be paying 3x more for fewer items listed at bottom of page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korbei View Post
    You don't get to choose how many cans of coke come in a case. You buy the case or you don't.
    I'm not buying cans of Coke. I'm buying fruits and vegetables. How often do you walk into a store and see fruits and vegetables sold only by the crate instead of them being placed in a pile where customer can take the exact number they want?

    If I go into a fabric store, I'm not forced to buy the entire bolt of fabric or spool of ribbon. They will cut off the amount I need from the bolt or spool.

    There are other goods where the vendor might display them in bulk but the customer gets to buy the amount the want.

    You lose nothing if players are allowed to buy just the quantity they want. It will all end up selling. You stand to lose much if they're told they can only buy a stack of 99 or not at all. Most will simply ignore the stack and either buy a smaller stack if available or go get the item themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brightamethyst View Post
    Sometimes the store also sells individual cans, which you can buy at higher per unit cost (just like the market board!)

    And sometime they don't. Which sucks, but you're still not allowed to open the case to take only the exact number of cans you want.
    Except if they run out of single cans, you can let a store worker know and they're usually happy to break open a case to restock the single can shelf.

    We can't contact the sellers on the marketboard to do the same.

    This is where a buy order system comes in handy when paired with buy what you want. You list your stack at the single unit price. Someone lists a buy order for a bulk quantity at a slightly lower price. You choose to fill the buy order or not.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 08-05-2023 at 11:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ValkyrieL View Post
    I can understand your frustration specially when lvling crafters/gatherers, but honestly not been able to buy few items out of 99 stack is a very good thing. Stacks are usually on deep discount, you probably be paying 3x more for fewer items listed at bottom of page.
    No they're not. Because people see those full stacks at discounts and then drop the prices of lower/ individual items to put there listing at the top. This is ultimately what drives prices down for everyone because no-one realises how the system works and everyone just wants to be the top listing because top listing sells first.
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