No exploratory content

[Supersnow845]

Awesome you are probably the only person who regularly posts in these discussions whos “side” I’ve never been able to figure out, i don’t really care my opinions are my own and I’m don’t do them to fit into a side (contrary to what renrathos thinks I do) but it’s interesting you are the only person I can’t figure out what your actual stance is

Thanks for the edit that makes sense

[ElysiumDragon]

Wait, didn't Yoshi-P recently say in an interview that the dev team were discussing the possibility of adding an Exploratory Zone for Dawntrail? As for the 'lifestyle content' they were talking about, I could absolutely see it being an instanced 'house' of sorts, just to permanently nix the housing issue.

[Shurrikhan]

Wait, didn't Yoshi-P recently say in an interview that the dev team were discussing the possibility of adding an Exploratory Zone for Dawntrail?

The last I can think of was the July 7th one with Famitsu, which then said they'd say more in the upcoming Live Letter (since passed)... after which I then heard no one here discussing any mention of further Exploratory Mission stuff?

For the full interview.

ヴァリアントダンジョンおよびアナザーダンジョンに続き、今後も新たな4人用エンドコンテンツの開発計画はありますか？　これまでのところ、どういったフィードバックがありましたか？　また、こういったコンテンツの実装を受け、今後は72人用の新しいコンテンツはないと考えてもよろしいでしょうか？

ヴァリアントダンジョン、アナザーダンジョンのシステムの完成度がすごく高いので、まずはこのシリーズで4人用のエンドコンテンツを作っていきます。もちろん、フィードバックをいただいたものをどんどん反映して、カジュアルに、かつエキサイティングなコンテンツにパワーアップさせていきたいと思っていますが、しばらく4人用のエンドコンテンツは、ヴァリアントダンジョン、アナザーダンジョンシリーズを続けていく予定です。

ただ、これまでにないタイプのまったく新しいバトルコンテンツも、いま企画を出し合っている最中です。そして"南方ボズヤ戦線"や"禁断の地エウレカ"のような、エリア全体を使った大規模な遊びも、次のシリーズをどうしようという話し合いはしていて、また新しいチャレンジをするつもりです。ヴァリアントダンジョンに関しては、明日（日本時間で7月30日、ファンフェスティバル2日目）のプロデューサーレターLIVEをお楽しみにしていただけると！

Rough Translation:

Following the Variant and Criterion Dungeon, do you have any plans to develop new four-player endgame content in the future? What kind of feedback on such have you received so far? Also, with the implementation of this more Variant/Criterion/4-man content, is it safe to assume that there will be no 72-man (large-scale / Exploratory Mission] content in the future?

We feel that Variant and Criterion dungeons are pretty well complete as systems, so we want to go ahead and first create more endgame content within that type. Of course, we want to progressively reflect more on feedback and improve that content to be more casually accessible and exciting, but for the time being we plan to continue providing Variant/Criterion dungeons for that 4-man endgame content.

However, we are currently in the process of finalizing a never-before-seen type of new type of battle content that has never been seen before. As for large-scale games that use the entire area, such as "Bozjan Southern Front" and "The Forbidden Land, Eureka", we are discussing what to do with the next iteration in that series, and we plan to take on new challenges. As for Variant Dungeons, please look forward to the Producer's Letter LIVE tomorrow (July 7th in Japan hours, the second day of the fan festival)!

[ElysiumDragon]

The last I can think of was the July 7th one with Famitsu, which then said they'd say more in the upcoming Live Letter (since passed)... after which I then heard no one here discussing any mention of further Exploratory Mission stuff?

For the full interview.


Rough Translation:

To be fair, Eureka was too grindy and Bozja didn't have a sufficient reward system to encourage long-term play. If they've learned from both of them, then a Tural-themed Exploratory Zone would be a wonderful idea.

[Supersnow845]

To be fair, Eureka was too grindy and Bozja didn't have a sufficient reward system to encourage long-term play. If they've learned from both of them, then a Tural-themed Exploratory Zone would be a wonderful idea.

Eureka was too grindy……If this is the only MMO youve ever played

[Minarisweet]

Eureka was too grindy……If this is the only MMO youve ever played

That's what ive been saying lol. And there's way griendier and more BORING activities (looking at you achievements) that no one calls out.

[AwesomeJr44]

Eureka was too grindy……If this is the only MMO youve ever played

I said this in another thread, and I think it's relevant here so I'll just drop a quote of myself.

Bozja and Eureka were designed for people who love MMOs, the Manderville relics were designed for people who hate MMOs.

[Shurrikhan]

Eureka was too grindy……If this is the only MMO youve ever played

I enjoyed Eureka, but... it would almost certainly have had greater community engagement and had been more enjoyable to the average player if the EXP requirements for leveling up were lower, leaving that grind instead to the horizontal progression of Relics instead of something that'd more inflexibly split apart its players across a given zone.

That's what ive been saying lol. And there's way griendier and more BORING activities (looking at you achievements) that no one calls out.

They're not each being called out because they've only collectively --not individually-- had the kind of impact or reward-access that Exploratory Missions have had and because we're literally in a thread about Exploratory Missions.

In a thread about Exploratory Missions, you can expect Exploratory Missions to get a larger share of the discourse even if other content forms were just as good/bad/neutral in regard to a given criteria.

Moreover, a critique doesn't stop being valid just because it doesn't include every other item that might also meet its description.

Bozja and Eureka were designed for people who love MMOs, the Manderville relics were designed for people who hate MMOs.

That would imply that the only (respectable) enjoyment one can get out of MMOs to large-zone mob- and FATE grinds...

I like both, in the right contexts, but liking other parts of the MMO experience more than that aspect in particular doesn't mean that one doesn't like/love MMOs, let alone that they hate them.

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Again, I like Exploratory Missions. I certainly think they're a more fitting, efficient, and lucrative content form than the likes of Variant/Criterion Dungeons, and would rather have EMs than any other form of "Side-content". I'm going through Bozja again right now on this forum alt. But that content doesn't get better over successive iterations from refusing to parse criticisms of it.

To be fair, Eureka was too grindy and Bozja didn't have a sufficient reward system to encourage long-term play. If they've learned from both of them, then a Tural-themed Exploratory Zone would be a wonderful idea.

What seems about the sweet spot to you, in terms of vertical grind progression for an EM? How might Bozja have been encouraged long-term play? And are there other sorts of novel mechanics or intrinsic motivators that you'd like to see in a new Exploratory Mission in Dawntrail, if we get one?

[IkaraGreydancer]

Say they did add another yalls complaints would then shift to "they're not doing anything new and things are just formulaic now". There is no pleasing some of you. Interesting to see a "These zones are for MMO lovers" when most folks I saw in these zones sat on their ass while a small group does the work (namely in Eureka). The only reason Boz escaped this somewhat is because the FATEs requires some form of contribution. But if in order to be an MMO lover you have to like long drawn out padded grinds then maybe being one is detrimental. Eureka and Boz get boring fast and only serve as time wasters after awhile.

[AwesomeJr44]

But that content doesn't get better over successive iterations from refusing to parse criticisms of it.

True. It also doesn't get better if another iteration isn't made because people it wasn't designed for didn't like it. Relics and exploratory zones weren't originally designed or intended for the target audience of the Manderville weapons. It's clear that a shift in target audience has occurred, and unless it shifts back we won't be getting proper exploratory content at all.

Say they did add another yalls complaints would then shift to "they're not doing anything new and things are just formulaic now". There is no pleasing some of you.

Why is it so hard for some to understand that the people who complained about Eureka/Bozja when it was current and the people who are complaining that there's no EW exploratory zone are two entirely different groups of people? The people who complained about Eureka/Bozja got what they wanted, the people complaining now are not those guys, we're the people who had some of our favorite content taken away in exchange for a glorified tome weapon vending machine.

Interesting to see a "These zones are for MMO lovers" when most folks I saw in these zones sat on their ass while a small group does the work (namely in Eureka).

That's not an issue with the content, that's an issue with human nature. Most people don't bother to work on spawning S rank hunts or scouting A ranks for trains either. Your point is invalid.

Eureka and Boz get boring fast and only serve as time wasters after awhile.

Maybe you think this because you don't like actual MMOs? That's a valid opinion to have, but if you don't like MMOs, that would explain why you don't like content that is designed to emulate an MMO.