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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    This sort of thing affects queue times initially less than you think, because the player shifts tends to occur within roles rather than across them. It's slower when people get around to levelling their second jobs, of course, because that's when everyone (including tanks and healers) goes to try the new ones out.
    You know, I've heard this, but I once went through the WayBackMachine's various records of FFXIV census' numbers, and that wasn't really the case. New Jobs added to roles does seem to change the distribution of players. The bigger issue, though, is that it changes the distribution of ques. For example, more Jobs within a role means people leveling multiple Jobs within a role (a pretty common thing; I've had at least two Healers I leveled to max in every expansion starting in 2.X itself, and I've had every Healer Job at max level since ShB. This means players will be quing up more as a given role if they're leveling additional Jobs for it.

    So even if we take at face value the claim that people playing new Jobs within a role were already playing the role and were not people coming over from different roles (which isn't the case, but let's pretend), that still doesn't change the que time effect.

    Again, we've done this twice before, 2.4 and 4.X, and both times, DPS ques went through the roof. In ShB, there did seem to be more people quing as Tank - you can argue if it's new Tanks or just existing Tanks leveling more blue Jobs, but the effect was the same. Healer was consistently the bottleneck in ShB. in EW, things evened out a bit since we got a new Healer Job.

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    But no need to take my analysis for it. Or history showing it having happened before. In 12 months, you'll see it for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
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    I actually did happen to swap from Tank to Melee this expansion and levelled RPR as my starting 90 job for Endwalker. There were no problems with the levelling process. You need to remember that if players are truly serious about switching to a new job, they will probably reach max level well before a lot of other people manage ten levels on their existing job, even the ones playing support.

    If you have an interest in either of the new jobs in Dawntrail, your main goal out of the gate should be to pull ahead of the levelling pack. Once you get to level 90 it will be a non-issue anyways, because the MSQ will likely have enough EXP in it to take you to 100 even without having to do any grinding. And it's not like the dungeons are a hard gate, either. If there's no queue pop (which usually happens on the later dungeons because you get there before everyone else!) you'll probably be able to brute force it with a trust just to keep moving.

    The only people who get stuck are the ones who want to level another job first and figure that they'll offspec to one of the new jobs just to dabble in the experience. I deliberately put RDM and DNC at the very end of my list of jobs to level when they were released, simply because I had no intention on doing them first. If you're in, you're all in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
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    In EW, I leveled MSQ as SCH, while also doing a couple daily roulettes on GNB. Hit 90 on SCH/SMN towards the end of Elpis, but my GNB was already level 88. So ran a dungeon or two, got it to 89, then picked up and finished the MSQ on GNB to hit 90. End result was a Healer (my main), Caster (dps), and Tank at level 90 ready to go. I have an eternal struggle each expansion between WHM/RDM and SCH/SMN (in the end, I just level them all eventually; RDM I mostly did with FATEs and WHM in roulettes), but the latter is definitely more efficient for initial leveling and I like being flush with options from the jump for when people start doing max level content. Especially early on, being able to flex is pretty useful.

    Honestly, my bigger issue is leveling OTHER roles for the role quests. ShB wasn't too bad since I just had to level one physical DPS (MCH), but in EW they split Melee and Ranged, so that was kind of annoying (ended up leveling both NIN and MNK, though it's nice NIN shares half its gear, right side, with MCH/Ranged). I eventually leveled RDM and AST and SGE and BLM and PLD and WAR...but honestly that's too much. Thinking in DT I'll stick with the essentials: A Pure and Barrier Healer (probably WHM/SCH, though possibly WHM/SGE), a Caster (probably SMN but possibly RDM if I don't level SCH), a Tank (probably PLD, though WAR or GNB are options depending on how they look to me then), a Melee (NIN or possibly the new Job if it looks interesting to me; I don't really like any of the Melee Jobs in the game right now, tbh), and a Ranged (MCH since it's honestly the only one I like). That way I can do all the role quests and unlock the bonus one when it comes out, and can flex for my main role of Healer as well as to whatever else I might need. 6 Jobs (possibly 5 leveling if SCH/SMN) isn't TOO terrible since I won't be doing them all at once, just the first 2/3.

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    As for the Jobs:

    It could be anything, though it's probably Corsair or something SIMILAR. Though it'll probably not be quite the take everyone's thinking. Even if it's outright COR, it's not going to be a gambler thing (since they clearly don't like that level of RNG if the changes to AST over the years are any indication), so it'll probably be more in name than the FFXI RNG Job. It may have some party buffs and things (to kind of mesh with the Scouting/NIN role in the party right now), though.

    Hell, it could be "Explorer" an Indiana Jones archetype with a whip/whipsword being a pseudo-ranged/pseudo-melee like a reverse DNC with animations like Bart from Xenogears.

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    Though I do agree the shirt might be more of a red herring than people think. The Sam Rami thing really threw people off, but as Mr Happy noted, Yoshi P said at the time something like "I really like the Sam Rami Spiderman movies", kind of giving the hint people eventually used (that quote) to decipher the clue.

    He didn't really do anything like that this time...but then the shirt isn't obvious for any Job that isn't NIN, which we already have. Batman for Dark Knight, 007 for MCH, and Reaper for RPR were all ridiculously obvious by comparison. But we don't really know if the TMNT shirt is for the Melee or the Caster, either.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 08-01-2023 at 07:41 AM. Reason: Marked with EDIT