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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrysOCE View Post
    Much in the same way that you are also assuming intent?
    I am just going based off the comment. Did he insult me or my character? He insulted my character so while an assumption it is one grounded by the comment itself.

    I have to add extra information to reach to the intent that their goal was to insult me.
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    Last edited by Bobby66; 07-27-2023 at 10:42 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Okay boomer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    I am just going based off the comment. Did he insult me or my character? He insulted my character so while an assumption it is one grounded by the comment itself.

    I have to add extra information to reach to the intent that their goal was to insult me.
    Why do you think they said it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qujah View Post
    2 days ago I queued for The Dusk Vigil (with my alt character, as a DPS). After completing the duty, just after I posted a "thank you" in the party chat and did a player commendation, half a second before I clicked "Exit", one of them obviously felt the need of typing this in the party chat: "UR CHARACTER IS HIDEOUS" (yes, in caps). I don't know if he meant me (my alt is a female Roegadyn) or if he meant someone else in the party. It doesn't even matter if I was the target of this. No one should be the target of insults, be it about race or outfit of their character.

    I'm not trying to be "snow-flaky", but is this what FFXIV has become? I didn't see this kind of rudeness before in this game. Where did this behaviour come from?

    After I had clicked Exit and realized how rude that player's text in the party chat was, I wasn't sure if I should report him. Should I have? Should I report next time such a thing happens?
    Given how context is missing, I think it was wise not to report. Personally speaking I would have just ignored or said something akin to "As is your use of Caps Lock" if they where serious haha. That said if the abuse continued and was directed, I can see why you would report such a thing. Really no reason why you should yell that at someone, just keep your mouth shut if you do not like someones glam/character.
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  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Why do you think they said it.
    Idk, I am not them and I am not in their head. I can really only go based off what was said.

    What I think is kinda of moot cause my reasoning may not be the reason why they said. Getting impacted over how I perceive their comment without knowing their intent or reason seems weird no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Okay boomer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    Idk, I am not them and I am not in their head. I can really only go based off what was said.

    What I think is kinda of moot cause my reasoning may not be the reason why they said. Getting impacted over how I perceive their comment without knowing their intent or reason seems weird no?
    What could be a good reason for them say this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    What could be a good reason for them say this?
    Idk, and good reason is subjective. See what I am saying just going based off "UR CHARACTER IS HIDEOUS" we cannot know the why outside they thought the character was ugly enough that they felt the need to say something.

    That is the only intention or reason we can gather. We can speculate but that is also fueled by our own bias.

    Just strikes me as weird to get bothered by something when you no way to know if it was aimed at you or not.

    If you have a choice why choose the worse option?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Okay boomer.

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    What an absolute non-issue. Who cares what anyone else thinks of your character, so long as you yourself are happy with it?
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  8. #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    Idk, and good reason is subjective. See what I am saying just going based off "UR CHARACTER IS HIDEOUS" we cannot know the why outside they thought the character was ugly enough that they felt the need to say something.

    That is the only intention or reason we can gather. We can speculate but that is also fueled by our own bias.

    Just strikes me as weird to get bothered by something when you no way to know if it was aimed at you or not.

    If you have a choice why choose the worse option?
    Is it the worse option when you have the chance to help clean up the community with a swift report?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    Idk, I am not them and I am not in their head. I can really only go based off what was said.

    What I think is kinda of moot cause my reasoning may not be the reason why they said. Getting impacted over how I perceive their comment without knowing their intent or reason seems weird no?
    We all could debate whether or not someone should report or whether or not they should or should not find something offensive, but, depending on the GM, this could probably be considered a ToS violation.

    In the ToS they even have clear examples of tone when responding to others in-game, with examples of violations and non-violations. Just outright saying someone's character is "hideous", while I was not able to find a similar or specific example, is very likely an offense simply by how it was said.

    Additionally, a third party can find something offensive, report, and it should be considered a violation according to the ToS. There should even be examples, such as if there are 10 people, 9/10 of them can be fine with something, but if that last person isn't: it's a violation. It doesn't even matter if it is directed at them, if I recall.
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 07-27-2023 at 11:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    What could be a good reason for them say this?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    Idk, and good reason is subjective. See what I am saying just going based off "UR CHARACTER IS HIDEOUS" we cannot know the why outside they thought the character was ugly enough that they felt the need to say something.
    Pretty sure the question was rhetorical, because there is no "good" reason to just go up to a random person you don't know and call them ugly. Even if you genuinely think that, it's extremely rude and only generates hostility between you. People do not like unsolicited negative comments about their appearance. This is such a basic fact of human social relations, that it beggars belief to consider the offending player did not understand that.

    The exact wording of the remark, whether you let it bother you or not, if they're insulting you personally or something you've made, something you're wearing, etc., is really not the core of the issue. The issue is they want to say something that offends you. They don't need to say it. They want to say it. It's antisocial, combative behaviour. It's not meant to be constructive, or to open a thoughtful dialogue. It's fighting words. If Square Enix wants people to keep playing their game, they can't let this kind of interaction between players become the norm.

    Just strikes me as weird to get bothered by something when you no way to know if it was aimed at you or not.
    I really don't see how it matters who the target is, the behaviour is the same either way. This is the "I never thought the leopards would eat MY face" philosophy.
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