If you want FF XI , then PLAY FF XI!

[Jinko]

It IS based upon FFXI, the majority of the biggest player base is FFXI players.

Prove it please.

Players Poll .. NOW !

FF fans in general...would you rather have a WoW clone than a FFXI clone?
Imo...i think ill take the latter.

Someone didn't read the previous posts, why can't we have both ?

This is exactly what Rydin was talking about, some people just won't budge, it has to be their way or no way.

It's ok though I expect 2.0 to take a lot of features and elements from WoW and if it doesn't I'll just go play GW2

[Enfarious]

No wonder people instantly shun things in this community. Everyone is living on the biggest misconceptions ever. Everytime I've done HNMs we didn't "camp for 12 hours", we camped during the window, only a fool spent their entire day camping an HNM. It was insanely easy to get the last ToD and to show up for the first window, which lasted no more than 3 hours on most, excluding the ToAU kings, which are SET spawns of 36+ hours (why? It depends if they were defeated in Besieged or not.)

It doesn't alienate anybody, you either do the content or you don't. You aren't forced to do anything in an MMO unless it's driven by the community, much like class stacking.

This is simply not true.
While, yes you don't camp an NM for 30hrs waiting on it's window as that would be stupid.
This mechanics do make content inaccessible to some players, if NM_A has a respawn of 24hrs with a 30min window to pop in, and it's last ToD was 2AM EST how long is it going to be before someone that has to get up at 6AM EST gets a fair and realistic shot at it?
Now add to that the reason said person is up @6 is to be off to work by 7 and they're @work til 4 get home at 5 and log on right then. When is the first time they will get a "realistic" opportunity to camp this NM?

Fair and realistic meaning, they don't pull an all nighter or short themselves hours of sleep.

I'm sure we're all saying "Oh just get it on your day off." but let's be honest, unless you've got some TH99 chances are IF you get the claim the first kill will not get you the drop. So your looking at doing it X times but only on your days off, it'd take months to finally get that one drop.

[kazaran]

Now Like other XI veterns there are ascpects that we feel are making it to easy, or just silly. Other hard aspects that can be an issue in future content.

This game is too new, needed an overhaul. IF anyone here is part of the closed Guild wars 2 VIP beta's in the many stages, you know how trying to be to similiar to others caused issues, and caused it long delay. The bugginess of game play versus visuals. The lack of story feeling.

Xi Veterns expect certain things, they also need to realize it will be time for their to be as many options, battle implements, and content. Think about XI when it first launched, how litte content there was compared to today. How logn it took to get things refined, balanced, and all the many options features, and abilities balanced.

THe one person si right, what worked in XI needs to be kept. What didn't and ended up makign it harder in the long run needs to go and new ideas put in place. Not copying mediocre existing MMO's but new SE and community ideas that are FF style.

NM camping was a bit of a pain. TOD's will shift. LArger Linkshells would monopolize, and I was in/ co running such a shell. We knew how to hold NM's and change to TOD to throw people off.

There needs to be a change to that aspect. Where you don't have large groups or RMT's monopolizing things. Either to have requirements to fight the NM. Key items to spawn them, that doesn't require specific times, but ability.

Tiem will tell on that one.

[Funky]

Prove it please.

Players Poll .. NOW !



Someone didn't read the previous posts, why can't we have both ?

Well i didnt exactly type: we cant have em both, did i?

Either way, lets just say im a supporter of "Customizable" UI,
Visual AOE-casting markers on the ground (like wow)
Vanity pets & various mounts. (Based upon FF games wild life ofc)
Helpful addons, maybe not "GearScore from WoW thou) but more
like range distance, ingame recipe book etc.

And there's no need to prove that FFXIV is not based upon FFXI.
Just look at the races, jobs, Actions & the rest of the Inspiration.
I loved FFXI just any other FFXI fan.

FFXI was heavily story driven, so FFXIV can still be a new game
even with the same type of gameplay but with a completly diffrent story.
Just like any other FF (offline) game, story & gameplay is most highly valued.

What im saying in short is, is just what you said...we can have em both.
But at the moment there's limitations to the game, engine, coding & servers.
But then again, 2.0 could end up being something less than i expect aswell.

[Jinko]

I agree with that Kazaran right now a lof of ex FF11 are stamping their feet like little children for hardcore content when SE are just trying to extend the life of version 1.

Hardcore content will come in time but those people will just have to be patient.

Well i didnt exactly type: we cant have em both, did i?

Either way, lets just say im a supporter of "Customizable" UI,
Visual AOE-casting markers on the ground (like wow)
Vanity pets & various mounts. (Based upon FF games wild life ofc)
Helpful addons, maybe not "GearScore from WoW thou) but more
like range distance, ingame recipe book etc.

I'm glad to hear that

And there's no need to prove that FFXIV is not based upon FFXI.
Just look at the races, jobs, Actions & the rest of the Inspiration.
I loved FFXI just any other FFXI fan.

Obviously the races are the same because Tanaka was in charge, if Yoshi-p had been in charge from day one these races may never have existed, I mean even the latest players poll is proof that he is trying to add other races Viera, Bangaa etc.

[kazaran]

Jinko you do nto need polls to know the majority of XIV fans are former or current XI fans and supporters. You see the discussion daily throughout this forum, on the serves, and in every member of the main linkshells. The fact both game accounts are linked, and discounted, and most of us have both accounts, even if we pause one for the other.

Once again if we wanted more WOW like aspects we would go play WOW, or Rift (which has become better then wow in it varied new features and less bugginess), GW2 is alot liek Guild Wars, not Wow. THe similarties were ripped out of the beta because of that main complaint of trying to add to much of a generic a typical MMO into it. All of that has delayed the game more. Guess what, there is more XI similarity now.

This is Final Fantasy, not WOW, Not Eve. The last thing we want is people saying it's a WOW rip off (when wow ripped off older MMo's itself). None of that A-typical quest format, A-typical menu, a typical spamming of spells, A-typical lack of indepth story, no cutscenes o pull you in. A-typical easy grindign of crafting with lack luster feel of real achievement.

You got your self an action bar. Let the similarity end there.

[Funky]

Obviously the races are the same because Tanaka was in charge, if Yoshi-p had been in charge from day one these races may never have existed, I mean even the latest players poll is proof that he is trying to add other races Viera, Bangaa etc.

Aye, its nice to see they adding something new & fresh.
Im not saying the idea of basing (is that how you spell it?)
FFXIV on FFXI and older FF games was a bad idea but ya...
the new dev team seems to be heading in a new improved direction.

Besides....the excitement for 2.0 keeps increasing imo.
So far...it's looking / sounding sweeeeeeet!!

[kazaran]

Of course their will be similarties. It is, once again, for the last time, Final Fricken Fantasy. Not Everquest, Wow and it's Variosu knockoffs.

FInal Fantasy games all share similarities. That alternate world way. Wither it's the job types, moogles, choco's, races, or other key aspects. THe online versiosn woudl follow that tradition, and by no means follow a tradition of an outside MMO.

Many would liek other aspects brought back in. I for one would like Migote.. to run more like the mithra in a cat like running stance rather then looking like humans that someone played pin the tail on the donkey with.

Mithra were not the first cat like female race in Final Fantasy either. There was also already a male version.


Once again... Final Fantasy... not a clone of toher non-FF games. Be nice to see some older jobs return from before X

[Jinko]

Jinko you do nto need polls to know the majority of XIV fans are former or current XI fans and supporters. You see the discussion daily throughout this forum, on the serves, and in every member of the main linkshells. The fact both game accounts are linked, and discounted, and most of us have both accounts, even if we pause one for the other.

Actually many of the people I talk to in game and on here have played FF11, but those same people don't want this game to be anything like FF11. (so you may have a point about the majority being ex FF11 players but I don't' think that actually say anything about what people want)

Once again if we wanted more WOW like aspects we would go play WOW, or Rift

What just like if you wanted to play FF11 you would go play that .. oh wait that games was ruined ..

This is Final Fantasy, not WOW, Not Eve. The last thing we want is people saying it's a WOW rip off (when wow ripped off older MMo's itself). None of that A-typical quest format, A-typical menu, a typical spamming of spells, A-typical lack of indepth story, no cutscenes o pull you in. A-typical easy grindign of crafting with lack luster feel of real achievement.

You got your self an action bar. Let the similarity end there.

I want an A-typical menu and by the looks of it so does Yoshi-p .. I will say this once more .. It does not matter what I want (or you for that matter), its more about what vision Yoshi-p has for this game and from what I can see he wants to modernise this game, create boss encounter that are similar to WoW, have mouse and keyboard UI similar to modern MMO (you can read this as WoW if you like).

The addition of cross server content finder if enough to prove that this game will be a cross between FF11 and WoW and that is fine with me.

Obviously some people will harp on and on because they can't face the fact that gaming has moved on and "Some" people don't want a FF11 clone.

[Enfarious]

So in conclusion:
Scrap the XI U.I. cause it wasn't great for some people(I liked it but I've been playing FFs since the 80's, yes I'm old), I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I like being able to customize and having range/recasts/durations/minimap.
Keep general FF lore which is gonna happen wether you want it or not, nothing about this game hasn't been pulled from prior FFs.
Make it not take years to accomplish stuff if your casual/working/family, but find a balance so that hardcore can't clear everything in a week, rested bonuses accomplish this to a degree.

While everyone yells and screams back and forth about what's good/bad from their favorite games noone is looking at the points that we've all agreed on from the begining. We're all so busy defending this, that, or the other and attacking the rest that we've lost sight of the real matters at hand.

Ok rants go ...

Edit: It's monday and I don't wanna go to work ...