Can 7.0 focus on a storyline without the philosophizing

[Vyrerus]

Also... people like you are in the minority for sure. You're basically asking CBU3 to change their formula that's been working successfully for them because you're annoyed. A lot of people play and support this game, why? Because they are overall enjoying it... simple as that, they are enjoying the story, gameplay, etc. There are thousands of players that don't even check/know about these forums that pay and support the game... sooo posts like these borderline demanding CBU3 what to do aren't really gonna work and it's just you complaining at the end of the day looking for any shred of someone who agrees with you, which again is not a lot....

Argumentum ad populum or whatever. Just because a lot of people like something or buy something, doesn't mean it's good. Just because a lot of people view a character certain way, doesn't mean that's who the character is, etc.

After all, there's billions of people who are under educated, and are dumb. Should they go on being that way, just because it serves business interests?

Also fwiw, Y'shtola is a bitchy sassy catgirl, who has totally been an asshole to NPCs outside of the Scions, like that time she gave Merlwyb a verbal beatdown over how Merlwyb runs Limsa Lominsa, in spite of having had 0 leadership responsibilities ever in her life, let alone national level leadership.

[PEANUT]

Argumentum ad populum or whatever. Just because a lot of people like something or buy something, doesn't mean it's good. Just because a lot of people view a character certain way, doesn't mean that's who the character is, etc.

After all, there's billions of people who are under educated, and are dumb. Should they go on being that way, just because it serves business interests?

Also fwiw, Y'shtola is a bitchy sassy catgirl, who has totally been an asshole to NPCs outside of the Scions, like that time she gave Merlwyb a verbal beatdown over how Merlwyb runs Limsa Lominsa, in spite of having had 0 leadership responsibilities ever in her life, let alone national level leadership.

It also doesn't mean it's not good if a lot of people like it either with that same logic. Are you saying that the writers for CBU3 are "uneducated" or "dumb"? Again, it's a matter of opinion, regardless if you like the characters/plotlines/etc. doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are supporting the game because obviously there's a lot about it they like or they wouldn't be paying subscription fees. Snotty posts are not gonna change that...

[VelKallor]

Just because a lot of people like something or buy something, doesn't mean it's good.

YES, it does. It means exactly that.

Mate, you SERIOUSLY need a lesson in economics and business.

Newsflash: if a company is marketing a product that sells well with a HUGE retained playerbase, thats a key indicator they are getting it RIGHT. Thats what repeat business means, its goodwill, its repeat traffic, its a gauranteed revenue stream..that what goodwill IS.

Goodwill is the meat and potatoes of any business anywhere. If you ever do go into business and want to buy a company, the VERY FIRST thing you do is make sure they are EBITDA positive, with a steady and reliable income stream. Why would you buy a business that isnt a going concern?

Thats like saying that a lot of people like vanilla ice cream but that doesnt make it good, its a ridiculous assertion, and also by that little meme you are also telling all these people who do love the game that you know whats better for them than THEY do???

Mate, get real, when we screaming hordes at each of the fanfests,. the roars of the crows, the thousands who will have travelled a great distance to attend one of these events, are you going to sit there and say " They dont know what they are spending their money on and shouldnt because I say so?"

like that time she gave Merlwyb a verbal beatdown over how Merlwyb runs Limsa Lominsa, in spite of having had 0 leadership responsibilities ever in her life, let alone national level leadership.

Lets just ignore the fact she was dead right, and that the Admiral deserved every word, shall we? She did deliver a verbal beatdown, every word was true.

Ill boil it down:

Theres the millions who dont post here, they are busy and happy ingame, we will see them at each of the SOLD OUT fanfests and other events..and then theres this tiny minority of malcontents here on the forums.

Who do YOU think best represents the going sentiment on the massive success of FF 14?

[BRVV]

YES, it does. It means exactly that.

Financial success <> quality

Maybe you will learn that one day


Economics isn't my god, that's probably the difference between you and me

[TaleraRistain]

Financial success <> quality

Quality is incredibly subjective, though. For instance, something like the Call of Duty is not my cup of tea, but those sell millions of copies a year. The people buying those games find quality in them worth their money.

For a personal example, I am an old school Assassin's Creed fan. I love the stealth, the parkour, the conspiracy theories, the Modern Day, the history behind the history - all of that. I am not a fan of the new RPG Mythology trilogy. It's not my cup of tea and not what I came to love about the franchise. As much I found things to enjoy in Valhalla, before Mirage I was considering leaving the series. It just wasn't a quality I wanted to spend my money on any longer. But that trilogy has made Ubisoft a lot of money. I may not personally like it, but they're doing something right in finding something that others want to spend their money on.

I do think feedback is important. I think that's how we got Mirage. There are a lot of developers who cite feedback from the old school fan subset of playerbase so something about what we're saying is getting through. So I like to see when people give feedback here. But while some here do make very good points and have specific suggestions, there's often a lot of just calling things bad without explaining why they are bad and how to improve them. And very often not a lot of telling the developers what they are doing *right*.

I completely get that viewpoint. I've left MMOs because there wasn't a lot in the right column. I think some here on the forums who never have anything in the right column may need to cut the cord and stop giving money to something they don't find quality in. It's a hard pill to swallow, but sometimes we need to realize we're not the target audience anymore and it may be time to focus on things that we do find that personal quality in.

[AwesomeJr44]

Quality is incredibly subjective, though.

I think the phrase you're looking for is 'personal enjoyment'. Quality is not subjective. Personal enjoyment of something is. Whether you like or dislike something has no impact on its quality as a product. It's very possible to like something of a low quality, and dislike something of a high quality. Usually I don't care much for pointing out semantics, but I think it's important here for clarification's sake.

[TaleraRistain]

I think the phrase you're looking for is 'personal enjoyment'. Quality is not subjective. Personal enjoyment of something is. Whether you like or dislike something has no impact on its quality as a product. It's very possible to like something of a low quality, and dislike something of a high quality. Usually I don't care much for pointing out semantics, but I think it's important here for clarification's sake.

Quality is subjective. Why do you think you can have critics that have completely different opinions on the same art, book, game, movie, etc? Quality is subjective because the measurements of quality are not universally the same.

The only place where quality is something that can be objective is where something will physically not work or break down without a certain standard. And even then there can be differing limitations because something like a building can persist against things like weather but not as good as another building built to different specifications.

[AwesomeJr44]

Why do you think you can have critics that have completely different opinions on the same art, book, game, movie, etc?

Quality is a descriptor of the product itself. If a group of critics have wildly different opinions on a product, that is evidence of a difference between the critics' personal tastes, not anything tied to the product itself. Now, there are cases where low quality in the product creates that difference in opinion (between people who care and people who don't), but the quality is still objective in those cases too.

[VentVanitas]

forum challenge: take a shot every time someone vaguely mentions a silent majority (bonus shot if they change the number every time) or minority in their post

you will not survive.

[BRVV]

forum challenge: take a shot every time someone vaguely mentions a silent majority (bonus shot if they change the number every time) or minority in their post

you will not survive.

Or when someone excuses FFXIV's shortcomings or tries to invalidate your opinion because "a lot of peepul bought and enjoyed [no proof] the gaymeee1111"