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    Quote Originally Posted by PEANUT View Post
    There is also beauty in consistency. These characters have been around since 1.0 days, they're not gonna just drastically change, they have developed their personalities and characteristics to become who they are all these years as we've watched their progression. If Y'shtola suddenly became lazy or an a**hole a character that wouldn't make sense right? So their belief in friendship and lending a hand and never giving up is gonna play into how they react to the events of the story, so yes, all of these expansions are going to include things that challenge those characteristics, such as existential crises, defying fate, etc...
    They all have been little "lets-save-the-world" "personalities". None of them are 3 dimensional. That's not a good thing. They also impose their view on anyone and it's framed as us all saving them. It's the garlean's fault!

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    A lot of people play and support this game, why? Because they are overall enjoying it...
    So many are already gone now that streamers moved on. So many people in general (today) just want to be part of the hype. I wonder how successfull 7.0 will be if streamers don't push it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRVV View Post
    They all have been little "lets-save-the-world" "personalities". None of them are 3 dimensional. That's not a good thing. They also impose their view on anyone and it's framed as us all saving them. It's the garlean's fault!



    So many are already gone now that streamers moved on. So many people in general (today) just want to be part of the hype. I wonder how successfull 7.0 will be if streamers don't push it.
    So what would make them 3 dimensional then? They don't "impose" their view on "anyone". Creating a mutual trade agreement with what's left of Garlemald literally explaining that they want to pursue this route so that Garlemald can still retain their independence is not "imposing" on anyone. Even from back in 1.0 the Scions would receive missives for help/aid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PEANUT View Post
    So what would make them 3 dimensional then? They don't "impose" their view on "anyone". Creating a mutual trade agreement with what's left of Garlemald literally explaining that they want to pursue this route so that Garlemald can still retain their independence is not "imposing" on anyone. Even from back in 1.0 the Scions would receive missives for help/aid.
    Physical appearance, social behaviour and psychology should not be immediately guessed by one of them. Easy. For one they could give them goals, desires, motivation. Maybe even fears! Even disagreement among them. One can dream.

    Tell that to dead Garleans or better yet: to everyone dead because we just had to decide that we keep this timeline intact despite all the horrible events of the past.

    We are now basically a shadow government. Getting favours from everywhere. No democracy. Just us asking for something and getting it. The ultimate fantasy for entitled people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRVV View Post
    Physical appearance, social behaviour and psychology should not be immediately guessed by one of them. Easy. For one they could give them goals, desires, motivation. Maybe even fears! Even disagreement among them. One can dream.

    Tell that to dead Garleans or better yet: to everyone dead because we just had to decide that we keep this timeline intact despite all the horrible events of the past.

    We are now basically a shadow government. Getting favours from everywhere. No democracy. Just us asking for something and getting it. The ultimate fantasy for entitled people.
    But they have all those things, goals, desires, fears, motivation, physical appearance, social behavior and psychology. None of them lack any of that, look at Urianger, the way he pours and ponders over the risks, multiple outcomes and ethics of everything they do. Look at Thancred who grew up on the streets and still struggles with fears of returning back to that kind of life and the guilt of not being able to protect someone who was apart of him coming out of that. All of these characters have been around for so long I think it's easy for people to forget their complexities because there is constant threat and crises occurring pushing them to take action, it doesn't mean they are bad or lacking "3 dimension"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PEANUT View Post
    But they have all those things, goals, desires, fears, motivation, physical appearance, social behavior and psychology. None of them lack any of that, look at Urianger, the way he pours and ponders over the risks, multiple outcomes and ethics of everything they do. Look at Thancred who grew up on the streets and still struggles with fears of returning back to that kind of life and the guilt of not being able to protect someone who was apart of him coming out of that. All of these characters have been around for so long I think it's easy for people to forget their complexities because there is constant threat and crises occurring pushing them to take action, it doesn't mean they are bad or lacking "3 dimension"...
    How has Thancreds street days affected him in EW? Not at all. They are all the "world saviours".

    What goals do they have? Saving the world? Maybe visiting the first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRVV View Post
    How has Thancreds street days affected him in EW? Not at all. They are all the "world saviours".

    What goals do they have? Saving the world? Maybe visiting the first?
    Bruh, because the world is LITERALLY about to be destroyed, their focus is CRISES CRISES CRISES! That's the whole point of EW in the Final Days....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PEANUT View Post
    Bruh, because the world is LITERALLY about to be destroyed, their focus is CRISES CRISES CRISES! That's the whole point of EW in the Final Days....
    If the setting precludes differences in personalities and motives, they should write a different setting.

    I appreciate how in the cases when our different companions and allies do disagree, or otherwise aren't in perfect alignment, they handle that as adults. Character bickering while they still work towards the greater goal just makes the story better. In other words they have the ability to write individual personalities without compromising the whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PEANUT View Post
    Bruh, because the world is LITERALLY about to be destroyed, their focus is CRISES CRISES CRISES! That's the whole point of EW in the Final Days....
    My dude we had time to go to lunch twice... during the MSQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEANUT View Post
    But they have all those things, goals, desires, fears, motivation, physical appearance, social behavior and psychology. None of them lack any of that, look at Urianger, the way he pours and ponders over the risks, multiple outcomes and ethics of everything they do. Look at Thancred who grew up on the streets and still struggles with fears of returning back to that kind of life and the guilt of not being able to protect someone who was apart of him coming out of that. All of these characters have been around for so long I think it's easy for people to forget their complexities because there is constant threat and crises occurring pushing them to take action, it doesn't mean they are bad or lacking "3 dimension"...
    And exactly when has the story mentioned it since SB, beyond a quick quip at the start of EW? For all intents and purposes, he has moved on and no longer struggles. Some of you seem more traumatized by their trauma than the characters themselves.
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