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    Player Stormpeaks's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurlstone View Post
    I mean is he wrong though ? I am personally bisexual and I dont agree nor do I want to be part of this "2SLGBTQIA+whateverthehellletter", Do I respect people for the gender they identify themselves as ? Yes, do I respect this "2SLGBTQIA+blahblahblah" community ? No, it's only used to force their beliefs on people, just like when they are showing drag queens to children in France which is close to my country, confusing their minds about what gender they are/might be.

    This stuff should be kept to yourself, as I mentioned, I am bi, I dont need everyone to acknowledge me or be represented in a video game or "empower" me because I am bi, I do what I want in my bedroom, I am with who I want.

    I dont need to go outside and start telling people I am bisexual, I promise you, no one cares. But this whole 2SLGBTQIA+ thing made the original community that was genuine into some political stuff and with the goal of forcing beliefs on others, and that's personally where I draw the line, it's also partially the fault of this "community" if we get so much hatred from people.
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    Last edited by Stormpeaks; 07-11-2023 at 10:28 PM.

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    Valamist Hurlstone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
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    I mean no offence, well OK perhaps I do a little, but I do not think you do have any respect for such people at all. Especially when you decide to drop drag into the mix and perpetuate the incredibly gross attacks against them. I too am bi, but disagree with your stance. Do we have to have a bi-off to see who is the superior bi? In the end neither of us represent the community as a whole. You do not feel like you need that representation? Good for you! I wish I could just go outside and not have to worry about who I come out too, and you are certainly not alone. But there are many people who do think representation is a positive thing, and I like to think I can be more empathetic to people outside my own bubble. In regards to this debate, I just do not think they deserve to be labels as ‘fascists trying to force peoples views’ just because they may like more then one token-blink-and-you-miss it LGBTQ character in a cast of hundreds. And I question whether anyone who says a community forced them to be more ‘hateful’ to them ever had any respect or tolerance for them in the first place.

    Do some people go too far and make outrageous claims sometimes? Sure, and unquestioning obedience to one viewpoint is never a righteous path, but name a group which does not have those elements that people will exaggerate and twist to pass as the majority. Believing rubbish like ‘all trans folk are trying to force kids to become accepted as cats’ is akin to believing that ‘gay people should not be allowed to teach children’ or that ‘bi people are just confused’. Thats whats infuriating in many ways. The current rhetoric being used again trans/drag folk is the exact one they have used again other equality movements decades ago, yet even LGBTQ+ folk can be blind to that fact. Plus every march for equality gets labels as too ‘radical’ and forceful. Civil rights, gay rights, now trans rights etc. History white washes them as civil debates won only by polite talk over tea, and not the true fights they where (Samuel L. Jackson himself got arrested for helping barricade collage trustees in order to push for equality changes!) but thats perhaps another topic for another time.
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    Last edited by Hurlstone; 07-11-2023 at 11:36 PM.

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