Now that FF16 will feature LGBT+ characters, can we get some rep in FF14 too?

[TitanMenII]

Dion Lesage is a powerful 2SLGBTQIA+ character in FF16 who was vital to the story and also had a touching character arc. When can FF14 also feature 2SLGBTQIA+ characters like Dion Lesage?



If they can do it in FF16, they can do it in FF14 too.

[Thelasoriao]

LGBT this, LGBT that... how about they focus on just writing a good story. Not score diversity points to appease the Twitter crowd??

[TitanMenII]

LGBT this, LGBT that... how about they focus on just writing a good story. Not score diversity points to appease the Twitter crowd??

Welp... looks like the hate mob is already out. Blocked.

[Thelasoriao]

Welp... looks like the hate mob is already out. Blocked.

Sure, sure, just cancel whoever disagrees with your opinion. So much for "tolerance".

[Shialan]

So much for "tolerance".

There is no need to tolerate intolerant people.

[Kyu-Momo]

Sure, sure, just cancel whoever disagrees with your opinion. So much for "tolerance".

The cancel culture crowd don't seem to have any tolerance. If you don't agree with them, you're demonized and are an 'enemy' to them. It's very hard to take them all seriously when they started frothing at the mouth, giving deaths threats and harassing streamers who dared to play a video game they didn't like.

It's be nice if humans would stop spewing hatred and vitriol every chance they get, or better, to stop killing each other over the dumbest things, but here we are. Hatred is fun, greed and money are all that matter, empathy is for chumps, and everyone who doesn't agree with you isn't a human being anymore and deserves to be treated like garbage, am I right? /sarcasm

Twitter and the internet was a mistake.

[Sotaris]

Sure, sure, just cancel whoever disagrees with your opinion. So much for "tolerance".

I mean, it sounds like the left in general.

[Renathras]

LGBT this, LGBT that... how about they focus on just writing a good story. Not score diversity points to appease the Twitter crowd??

This.

Welp... looks like the hate mob is already out. Blocked.

It's not a hate mob, it's a valid point: Focus on good writing and a good story. It shouldn't matter the race/gender/orientation of people as long as they're good characters. One doesn't have to be an ambiguously asexual 12 foot tall 10,000 year old white guy with three eyes to recognize Emet-Selch is a well written character.

The style of his comment is somewhat brusque, but the core point is correct. And blocking someone who disagrees with you is far closer to a "hate mob" than someone voicing his position that the focus should be on good writing.

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Besides which:

Quina was non-binary (or...simultaneously binary?) before it was cool, being s/he. If FF9 was made now, Quina's pronouns would probably be they/them. Japan isn't all on board with the social justice train, but they're fine with it at the same time. They aren't actively promoting it, but they won't back down if in countries where it's not popular or allowed - unlike, say, virtue signaling Disney that plays it up in the West then quietly removes their LGBT stuff in Muslim majority countries, etc. Japan also doesn't tend to focus on it. If it's part of someone's character, it just is. In Outlaw Star, one of the characters was very obviously and explicitly gay. But it wasn't really relevant. It was part of his character, not HIS ENTIRE CHARACTER. That's the RIGHT way to write characters - LGBT or cis as a cowboy action hero that's also straight as a supermassive black hole jet. Casual things done off screen and not making a big deal of it; that's actually the RIGHT way to write characters.

Hell, all the things in Il Mheg go by "they", as do SOME of the Lopporits, while others go by he and she, indicating they actually ARE gendered beings that recognize a non-binary (whereas in Il Mehg, it's possible they just don't have genders in the first place)

You also have (ambiguously) Ryne and Gaia.

We aren't exactly drowning in straight couples. Offhand, there are only four I can think of - Moonbrida's parents, the Chais, the cute couple from the Goldsmith quest, and the Twins mom and dad. That's it, and I had to stop and think a bit for some of those. There might be random "straight" NPCs in the sense of parents to children, but we don't really run into people that are expressly STRAIGHT or that talk about their straightness.

Both Hauchefaunt (especially in the original Japanese) and Zenos were absolutely infatuated with your character (meaning they're gay or at least bi if your character is a male, in addition to Zenos being combatsexual), and Graha somewhat seems to be as well. Alise is into your character as well, so if you're female, she's gay/bi for you. Both she and Graha are as main as main characters can get. Then there are the aforementioned Fey of Il Mehg and the Lopporits.

I'm not sure what more you want. A main character to "come out" to you? A bunch of homosexual couples with children that are also somehow main characters? An NC17 rating with same-sex sex scenes? If it's just two guys that appear to be close hugging, you'll write that off as "only implied", but this is a E for Everyone game, so they aren't going to address sexual themes in general. I'm not sure what more you want. For all we know, Y'Shtola is lesbian. She's definitely quick to shoot down most men (at least, the ones that she doesn't consider friends - she's nicer to them), and has the strong will and not-quite-but-also-kinda butch thing going when she feels like it.

How would you even know she's NOT lesbian? It's not like you can tell by looking.

For all you know, we could already have SEVERAL LGBT main characters in the cast! They just don't wear their sexual/gender identities on their sleeves.

It's not "Western culture" to accept and be kind to people with different identities.

Does...does anyone want to tell him?

Go to non-Western cultures. You'll often find them FAR less accommodating than Western ones... <_<

Even though it's a troll thread, there is already a gay couple in XIV. The quest to Wanderer's Palace (Hard) features the couple.

"gay couple"

"Wonderer's Palace"
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"(Hard)"

XD

Sorry, sorry. I just couldn't help it. Even I have to be juvenile every now and again. XD

That said, I don't remember this one. Going to have to go and watch it...

[Bekuta]

Welp... looks like the hate mob is already out. Blocked.

If you're considering that "hate", then you're already acting in bad faith. If they want to add that stuff in, they will, but adding that just for the sake of having it isn't going to lead to anything other than it feeling out of place. Only in the west do I see people obsess over identity politics, and it gets to be grating after a while.

[Aword3213]

Only in the west do I see people obsess over identity politics, and it gets to be grating after a while.

Let us pray it stays in the west, so there are places left for people to escape to.