Can 7.0 focus on a storyline without the philosophizing

[AwesomeJr44]

Vel's analogy of the restaurant makes sense

It's a terrible and inaccurate analogy that's already been proven as such on several occasions.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I think whenever people need to insist that they're the majority and that any criticism is just coming from 'haters' then it's a surefire sign that they're actually not all that confident that a particular product can actually stand on its own two feet without deceptive attempts to pretend as if absolutely any feedback whatsoever that is negative has no weight or merit to it.

There's many aspects of the game that are worthy of criticism and to pretend otherwise is, as far as I'm concerned, rather disingenuous. Especially when this forum's primary purpose is to serve as a venue for feedback to be posted. Whether anyone working for the company reads it is another matter entirely though it's where people are directed to when urged to leave feedback.

That means feedback both positive and negative. Many here seem to forget this. I also don't think it's wrong to claim most of the players are happy overall with the game. Even on social media the most negative space in the community is here and basically here only. Theres a general sentiment to keep away from here due to how toxic it has been and can be. That does mean something, I wouldn't say your concerns are less valid, but it does mean something.

[Deo14]

That means feedback both positive and negative. Many here seem to forget this. I also don't think it's wrong to claim most of the players are happy overall with the game. Even on social media the most negative space in the community is here and basically here only. That does mean something, I wouldn't say your concerns are less valid, but it does mean something.

It means that people are much more likely to pin point things they dislike, then those they like. If there's something they like, they can make some "appreciation" post or whatever, but because it doesn't have much space for discussion, it will be buried with other posts (this works both here and on reddit). On the other hand, if you have something negative to say, it often sparks a discussion. And where do you voice this concern? On some social media, or here on forums, which is meant exactly for this feedback (and Yoshi-P specifically said to post it here, on official forums)?

[IkaraGreydancer]

It means that people are much more likely to pin point things they dislike, then those they like. If there's something they like, they can make some "appreciation" post or whatever, but because it doesn't have much space for discussion, it will be buried with other posts (this works both here and on reddit). On the other hand, if you have something negative to say, it often sparks a discussion. And where do you voice this concern? On some social media, or here on forums, which is meant exactly for this feedback (and Yoshi-P specifically said to post it here, on official forums)?

Positive threads here get derailed and crapped on all the time tbf. Anything here will spark a discussion. Folks praising the game will have others come in touting the game doesn't deserve said praise. Nothing you've said changes my point. This place is seen as toxic by a larger portion of the community. Doesn't matter if this is the place designated for negative feedback (in context). You can have that without toxicity but thats not how this place operates sadly and that has soured its reputation to players and seemingly devs alike

[Deo14]

Positive threads here get derailed and crapped on all the time tbf. Anything here will spark a discussion. Folks praising the game will have others come in touting the game doesn't deserve said praise. Nothing you've said changes my point. This place is seen as toxic by a larger portion of the community. Doesn't matter if this is the place designated for negative feedback (in context). You can have that without toxicity but thats not how this place operates sadly and that has soured its reputation to players and seemingly devs alike

When was the last time you saw an actual positive thread here? I'm not talking about those artificial threads, which people made specifically as a response to negative ones. If some people disagree? It's in their right, this is still a place for discussions. As for derailing, it's really nothing exclusive to positive threads, look what we're talking about, and then look and the title of a thread.

When it comes to toxicity, blame SE for both lack of moderation, and for making us feel like our feedback is going nowhere. But I really wouldn't say this place is overly toxic. Official FFXIV reddit is much worse, it's full of passive aggressiveness and fake positivity, and if you disagree with hivemind, you get downvoted for oblivion, it's just not a place for any discussions, which is why people either stay silent or go here.

[Jojoya]

I should have said "The most passionate players are the ones on the forums" instead, was my bad.

But are they passionate about playing the game, or passionate about hating on it?

Someone passionate about playing the game is going to have both positives and negatives they share about it. No game is perfect. There are always things that can be improved but the player is also going to want to share what they enjoy or at the least does not see as a problem with the game. If they feel there are no positives or those positives are greatly overshadowed by the negatives, there's no reason to stay passionate about playing it.

When all someone posts is negative comments with nothing positive to say, it natural to doubt that they're actually passionate about playing the game. From there, it's a small step to assume they're only interested in hating on it (an assumption that may or may not be true).

While I have my issues with the individual who started this thread, I can agree that the game does tend to overdo certain themes mostly in the smaller subplots. But that player also has had nothing positive to say about the game and likes to attack posters who do say positive things. So are they here because they're passionate about playing the game, or are they here because they're passionate about hating on the game?

[SquirrelDerp]

But are they passionate about playing the game, or passionate about hating on it?

Both, either. I passionately like the game, some folks here are passionate and like it but dislike aspects enough to come to a forum to complain about it, some just straight hate it. But regardless of the case, I don't think many people would be on a forum for a game if they were apathetic to the game.

I mean, I'm sure there are people who don't care and just want to hate on others, but ime that's usually less than maybe 10% of folks on a forum. Just because it's hard to keep up the energy to troll if you don't care at all.

That said I'm new to this forum and most of my experience comes from mmo-champ and the old bnet forums, so it might be different.(I don't even know if you need a sub to post here)

[Archeron]

You cannot expect anything intelligent to come out of any posts on eng FFXIV forums, esp generally discussion. It's all meta-drama, and people arguing in bad faith. There are few people here who can make coherent arguments, and have a reading comprehension beyond that of a 6 year old child. Much different when you switch to the JP side however.

[Theodric]

It's really quite fascinating to see how certain posters repeatedly ignore the fact that those they deem to be 'negative' have repeatedly outlined the aspects of the game that they do enjoy a great many times already. It seems to be the new go to tactic in order to try deflect from the points being raised and interestingly it's something only deployed somewhat recently.

Putting that aside, however, let's consider for a moment that the only obligation anybody has around these parts is to obey the established code of conduct. The weird attempts to police tone and content of posts beyond that is just that - weird. Feel free to chalk up any differences to conflicting personality types or culture clashes. Or the fact that not everybody speaks English as a primary language.

Many of us also primarily make use of Twitter or Discord to discuss the aspects of the game that we like. It's much easier to share fan art on both platforms, after all - and you don't have to deal with the unhinged posters who either send death threats or accuse you of being a 'fascist' if you dare to like or dislike the 'wrong' characters in this game.

'ur all just haters so go away' is what is really being insinuated here, let's be honest. It's just being dressed up politely.

[Kazhar]

The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.
If someone cares enough to complain about the game every single day there's a high possibility they still have some sort of strong attachment to it. Or maybe they realize what could have been. Or they just have high expectations and thought the game used to deliver on them.