Can 7.0 focus on a storyline without the philosophizing

[Theodric]

I think whenever people need to insist that they're the majority and that any criticism is just coming from 'haters' then it's a surefire sign that they're actually not all that confident that a particular product can actually stand on its own two feet without deceptive attempts to pretend as if absolutely any feedback whatsoever that is negative has no weight or merit to it.

There's many aspects of the game that are worthy of criticism and to pretend otherwise is, as far as I'm concerned, rather disingenuous. Especially when this forum's primary purpose is to serve as a venue for feedback to be posted. Whether anyone working for the company reads it is another matter entirely though it's where people are directed to when urged to leave feedback.

[SquirrelDerp]

I think whenever people need to insist that they're the majority and that any criticism is just coming from 'haters' then it's a surefire sign that they're actually not all that confident that a particular product can actually stand on its own two feet without deceptive attempts to pretend as if absolutely any feedback whatsoever that is negative has no weight or merit to it.

To be fair here, anyone at all who thinks they're a majority of the fanbase, while on a forum, greatly overestimates how many people care one way or the other.

Especially if they reference how others on the forums feel.

It's like how on mmo-c and bnet back in 2009 tons of folks on the forums were convinced that BC and Wotlk ruined wow and that the game was going to die any day now because they added 10 man raids, and would start every argument with "EVERYONE AGREES!". And as much as you can say bad things about wow, wotlk did not kill it in 2010.

Most people who are content with the game don't come to forums, so you get an incredibly skewed perspective.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I think whenever people need to insist that they're the majority and that any criticism is just coming from 'haters' then it's a surefire sign that they're actually not all that confident that a particular product can actually stand on its own two feet without deceptive attempts to pretend as if absolutely any feedback whatsoever that is negative has no weight or merit to it.

There's many aspects of the game that are worthy of criticism and to pretend otherwise is, as far as I'm concerned, rather disingenuous. Especially when this forum's primary purpose is to serve as a venue for feedback to be posted. Whether anyone working for the company reads it is another matter entirely though it's where people are directed to when urged to leave feedback.

That means feedback both positive and negative. Many here seem to forget this. I also don't think it's wrong to claim most of the players are happy overall with the game. Even on social media the most negative space in the community is here and basically here only. Theres a general sentiment to keep away from here due to how toxic it has been and can be. That does mean something, I wouldn't say your concerns are less valid, but it does mean something.

[Deo14]

That means feedback both positive and negative. Many here seem to forget this. I also don't think it's wrong to claim most of the players are happy overall with the game. Even on social media the most negative space in the community is here and basically here only. That does mean something, I wouldn't say your concerns are less valid, but it does mean something.

It means that people are much more likely to pin point things they dislike, then those they like. If there's something they like, they can make some "appreciation" post or whatever, but because it doesn't have much space for discussion, it will be buried with other posts (this works both here and on reddit). On the other hand, if you have something negative to say, it often sparks a discussion. And where do you voice this concern? On some social media, or here on forums, which is meant exactly for this feedback (and Yoshi-P specifically said to post it here, on official forums)?

[IkaraGreydancer]

It means that people are much more likely to pin point things they dislike, then those they like. If there's something they like, they can make some "appreciation" post or whatever, but because it doesn't have much space for discussion, it will be buried with other posts (this works both here and on reddit). On the other hand, if you have something negative to say, it often sparks a discussion. And where do you voice this concern? On some social media, or here on forums, which is meant exactly for this feedback (and Yoshi-P specifically said to post it here, on official forums)?

Positive threads here get derailed and crapped on all the time tbf. Anything here will spark a discussion. Folks praising the game will have others come in touting the game doesn't deserve said praise. Nothing you've said changes my point. This place is seen as toxic by a larger portion of the community. Doesn't matter if this is the place designated for negative feedback (in context). You can have that without toxicity but thats not how this place operates sadly and that has soured its reputation to players and seemingly devs alike

[Deo14]

Positive threads here get derailed and crapped on all the time tbf. Anything here will spark a discussion. Folks praising the game will have others come in touting the game doesn't deserve said praise. Nothing you've said changes my point. This place is seen as toxic by a larger portion of the community. Doesn't matter if this is the place designated for negative feedback (in context). You can have that without toxicity but thats not how this place operates sadly and that has soured its reputation to players and seemingly devs alike

When was the last time you saw an actual positive thread here? I'm not talking about those artificial threads, which people made specifically as a response to negative ones. If some people disagree? It's in their right, this is still a place for discussions. As for derailing, it's really nothing exclusive to positive threads, look what we're talking about, and then look and the title of a thread.

When it comes to toxicity, blame SE for both lack of moderation, and for making us feel like our feedback is going nowhere. But I really wouldn't say this place is overly toxic. Official FFXIV reddit is much worse, it's full of passive aggressiveness and fake positivity, and if you disagree with hivemind, you get downvoted for oblivion, it's just not a place for any discussions, which is why people either stay silent or go here.

[VelKallor]

I think whenever people need to insist that they're the majority and that any criticism is just coming from 'haters' then it's a surefire sign that they're actually not all that confident that a particular product can actually stand on its own two feet without deceptive attempts to pretend as if absolutely any feedback whatsoever that is negative has no weight or merit to it.

And again, no one has said that, including me. I have said time and again that this tiny band of malcontents is a fraction of a fraction of one percent of the entire playerbase, neither I nor you nor anyone else knows what they like or dont like.

In terms of perspective however, it is a good metric to measure where things stand. That the game is busy and bustling with loads of repeat customer speaks for itself..wouldnt you agree?