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    SE can't legally scan your PC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WantlessYoYo View Post
    SE can't legally scan your PC.
    They can put an obstacle up on the data though that you mine from it and every app/program leaves traces as it has to ping the server, and they can shutdown the data transmitted as well or encrypt it, so it can't be translated other than by devs and testers, that test new dungeons and raids etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    They can put an obstacle up on the data though that you mine from it
    Not without encryption, and there are a number of reasons that you generally don't want to encrypt your client data and a number of reasons that this encryption rarely lasts long enough to be meaningful.
    and every app/program leaves traces as it has to ping the server
    Not true at all for accessing client-side data - and if you do need to ask the server for anything, you can just do the thing in the client and capture what the server sends you ("packet capture"). That's also invisible, since you're monitoring the local network, not the program (or server) specifically in a way that it can see. Again, there are potential encryption methods that can be used here, but with all the same weaknesses. They will always get in eventually. It's spectacularly, transcendentally difficult to lock someone out of data you're processing on their own PC.
    and they can shutdown the data transmitted as well or encrypt it, so it can't be translated other than by devs and testers, that test new dungeons and raids etc.
    Dev/test builds are completely separate from the customer (production) client. The only way you're finding in-development material in a production client is if it was left in the client build for whatever reason. Similarly, some server-side data is simply impossible to capture from outside because it's only ever processed server-side: loot tables, boss scripts, etc. etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WantlessYoYo View Post
    SE can't legally scan your PC.
    This has been repeated again and again but the existence of many JP games with invasive DRMs and anti-cheats prove this point wrong.
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    Dealing with bad-faith forum posters who tell you to quit or say your concern is in the minority:
    1. Do not engage in their bad-faith attacks.
    2. Warn others of their bad-faith if they have a long history of it.
    3. Continue the productive conversation and silently report them for personal attacks.
    Be firm but polite, recognize their tactics and don't fall into their traps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDecay View Post
    This has been repeated again and again but the existence of many JP games with invasive DRMs and anti-cheats prove this point wrong.
    The game is sold outside of Japan. In some European countries this is actually law. In the USA its not but its basically suicide to include a DRM like that. Different cultures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl View Post
    The game is sold outside of Japan. In some European countries this is actually law. In the USA its not but its basically suicide to include a DRM like that. Different cultures.
    Sure, but not once has anyone provided the exact law in question that prohibits SE from wrapping the game with some rudimentary anti-cheat or detection (not even within the memory allocated to FF14). The only source of this misinformation is from the developer team itself.
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    Last edited by TheDecay; 07-05-2023 at 12:36 PM.
    Dealing with bad-faith forum posters who tell you to quit or say your concern is in the minority:
    1. Do not engage in their bad-faith attacks.
    2. Warn others of their bad-faith if they have a long history of it.
    3. Continue the productive conversation and silently report them for personal attacks.
    Be firm but polite, recognize their tactics and don't fall into their traps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WantlessYoYo View Post
    SE can't legally scan your PC.
    Yes they can. They just dont want to. Or are unable to do with their code.
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    Last edited by Shinkuno; 07-05-2023 at 03:19 PM.