What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Shinkuno]

Okay.. And what percentage of players have finished all 200 floors of POTD, and 100 floors of HoH to warrant the release of Eureka Orthos? I can tell you these aren't over 10%

What about Ultimates? lol

This doesn't seem to be a very honest perspective huh? I'd say it's almost backed by a bias and hope to believe there's correlation and causation of content type releases with very shaky data, presented as fact and authority.

It's okay to just not reply instead of acting like these things are facts.

You have to understand, VelKallor doesnt do ANY content. They only get their opinions from other coping fanboys on reddit and discord.

[VelKallor]

You have to understand, VelKallor doesnt do ANY content. They only get their opinions from other coping fanboys on reddit and discord.

You have to understand, Shinkuno has no idea what content I have or havent done, has ignored the fact that I dont use any social media of any kind, and his posts are usually snide personal attacks or cheap shots with no value that do little else than derail threads.

Shinkuno is probably one of those people who gauge a players worth on whether or not they do the "hard" content..the fact there is so much else to do is usually what they dont notice or care for.

[thevanguard]

gauge a players worth on whether or not they do the "hard" content

sounds based

[VelKallor]

sounds based

Sounds silly. Self limiting. Narrow.

[genuine_stranger]

I have a lot of opinions on the story, but the thing I'll focus on for now is Meteion and how her introduction causes so many problems with the plot that it's obvious she was shoehorned into it because the writers didn't want to follow through with what they started in SHB and make Hydaelyn a villain or at least a morally grey character.

I am convinced the writers never even planned on Meteion at any point until they were halfway through writing the plot of Endwalker.
She introduces a lot of plot holes, such as why Venat didn't bother using creation magic to create something to fight her instead of committing mass genocide. Hermes was also already aware of Dynamis before the Meteion incident, so wouldn't it have been better to leave him alone to find some way to counter the dynamis since his memory was wiped and he would have no reason to let the attack happen?

Also, the time-travel stuff doesn't really work well with SHB's time-travel. Graha's original timeline doesn't really work with the idea of there being a stable time-loop if the WoL is dead before they can time-travel, which would mean the Venat in that timeline would never have met the WoL and never found out about Dynamis.

And what was up with the plan to evacuate the people of the planet with the moon to some other planet? Didn't they say that planet was unusually rich in aether? So, wouldn't leaving just make things even worse and leave everyone defenseless?

The more I analyze the plot, the more flaws I find!

It seems to me like they ended up introducing Meteion in an attempt to contort the plot into justifying Venat's actions, but it just makes things worse the more you look at it.

Just wait until you realize that you can remove the whole story of 6.0 and nothing really changes from 6.1 onward.
That is some mad tomfoolery, let me tell ya.

[AwesomeJr44]

You have to understand, VelKallor doesnt do ANY content. They only get their opinions from other coping fanboys on reddit and discord.

Sounds about right.

[Theodric]

I've made the comparison in the past, and I'll make it again here. Endwalker is very similar to a modern Marvel movie in that it is completely reliant on the audience's ability and willingness to turn their brains off completely and to not think about anything at all. Unlike previous expansions, if you use even a few brain cells to think about it, Endwalker's story completely implodes.

That's an apt description of the situation. There's definitely a less of a conscious effort to cater to different personal tastes in general with the game these days. I know a lot of players who cannot simply 'turn their brain off' on a whim simply on the basis of not being wired that way.

There's also often a cynical bait and switch where promotional footage and developer statements will imply that there's a deep narrative at play but then they grow overly defensive in response to even light push back towards certain characters and conflicting characterisation.

It's not a situation unique to this game, sadly. One only has to look at how Henry Cavill was treated for a genuine interest and investment in the source material a certain Netflix show was working off of.

I never expected FFXIV to have the best storytelling ever, mind you - I just expected a tad more consistency and maturity in a story that decided to embrace some very heavy themes.

[Rosenstrauch]

Well, I did the thing I said I wasn't going to do, and resubbed—entirely so I could access gpose, mind you. I wanted to put together an idea of what a character looked like, and also play with the virtual dolls of a few of my favorites for screenshot purposes. So naturally a certain muskrat decided to data cap everyone who uses Twitter down to the point where 15 minutes of browsing locked me out of the site. And now I can't share those gpose screenshots with my primary audience of the few people who follow me there.

On a related note, XIVTwitter is like the wild fucking west. Or Middle School, actually. At least I haven't gotten detention—oh wait.

I suppose I can catch up with the story now, though. Every cloud has a silver lining! Well, not so much silver as aluminum. Lead, really. I've heard... mostly that it's bland Sharlayan bureaucracy, a handful of FFIV references including one that exists mostly to pad out the Save the World plot for another patch cycle, and a bizarre Garlemald section that could've honestly been cut entirely. I guess I'll find out this month.

And on another related note, during the interim I began writing another fic—Ascilia, Scion of Light. A slight-to-major rewrite of 6.1 so far, possibly all the way up to 6.55. I can't imagine anyone here would be thrilled to read it given who the star character is, but eh. I write for an audience of one, and anything else is a bonus. Don't expect anything like introducing whole new characters or taking the plot in wildly different directions—though come to think of it I did introduce a new character in chapter 6, and will be fleshing her out further in the chapters to come.

[VelKallor]

I've made the comparison in the past, and I'll make it again here. Endwalker is very similar to a modern Marvel movie in that it is completely reliant on the audience's ability and willingness to turn their brains off completely and to not think about anything at all. Unlike previous expansions, if you use even a few brain cells to think about it, Endwalker's story completely implodes.

I tend to find that with the way things are at the moment, the harsh complexities we all have to deal with ( that isnt you, of course, you're "awesome"...LMFAO ), in case it had escaped you, people go to movies like that so they can step away from the never ending drumbeat of the eternal news cycle, the worries they have at home in order to put a roof over their heads, feed their families, get some respite from the stress of their work, it doesnt surprise me that movies like Marvel do so well when you consider the alternatives.

Maybe, one day a long time from now, when you finally grow up and see what adult responsibility is, you will finally understand.

Maybe. I doubt it, but one can hope.

Endwalkers story, as a direct contrast to your own jaded viewpoint, has been acclaimed universally. That you personally dont like it we can see every single day..one actually wonders if you hate the game this much what the hell you are still doing here. All I ever see you do is dump on the game, the devs, the classes, nothing ever seems to meet your lofty "standards"..yet here you still are.

On a related note, XIVTwitter is like the wild fucking west. Or Middle School, actually. At least I haven't gotten detention—oh wait.

Smartest move is to just get rid of it .

All of it.

Your mental health and outlook will improve markedly once you accept that Twitter, like most if not all social media, is a festering, roiling cesspit that even Obi-Wan Kenobi would struggle to describe without resorting to language that would melt paint at 1000 yards.

I dont use any of it. I dont have any of it. Reddit, Facebook, Insta..the lot.

Do yourself a huge favour and delete it all.

[AwesomeJr44]

it doesnt surprise me that movies like Marvel do so well when you consider the alternatives.

Except they aren't anymore. Marvel films are starting to lose their steam, making less and less money every year, with some of them even losing money. All that only a few years after they decided to abandon all logic and reason for the sake of drivel made so simple you could show it to a toddler and they'd understand it.

All I ever see you do is dump on the game, the devs, the classes, nothing ever seems to meet your lofty "standards"..yet here you still are.

Did you not see me make an entire thread saying that everything in 6.4 was either meh or good outside of the horrendous balance changes? Did you not see me say that P10S is an A tier raid, only barely kept from S tier because of one mechanic that was kind of cringe? Did you not see my thread where I went over the 6.4 live letter, and had an entire third of it dedicated to things I liked? I was also planning on making a thread rating all of the Pandaemonium raids, with some of the Anabaseios ones ranking pretty highly. I just have to get around to clearing P12S p2 before I post that one, I've been taking that last fight slower than I did with the first three. (Plus, Party Finder for 12 is horrendous)

If you haven't seen any of those I listed, then maybe consider looking at things I have said before assuming I can't be pleased. If you have, you're just lying.

Just because I don't have my standards buried six feet under like you have yours, doesn't mean I've launched mine to outer space.

You'd think that someone who supposedly was one of the people warning the WoW community about it's impending downfall would understand the idea of not just shoveling filth down your throat because Blizzard/SE put it on your plate. I'm starting to think you were lying to me about that.

that isnt you, of course, you're "awesome"...LMFAO

Thank you for noticing the username my dad made for me years ago. It is indeed very childish and cringe. I probably wouldn't have let him pick my username if I wasn't terrible at coming up with names myself, and I'd change it if I could now. However, pointing it out doesn't really do anything to support your argument other than show that you didn't really have one to begin with.