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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    That's what a Monkey's Paw is and how it works - you make a wish, and it corrupts it. But it starts with a wish.
    Except any response for which the requester can be blamed, Monkey's Paw or no, has to be to the actual request, not a conveniently cherry-picked portion thereof that ignores all context and purposely misconstrues the message.

    An actual Monkey's Paw outcome starts with the wish, not 'the wish, if most of it were removed and the rest played backward.'

    We still call the disliked outcomes "Monkey's Paw" as shorthand because the wish was perverted, but in this case it's because the wish was never really listened to in the first place, not because of some demonic intent.

    If we had been painfully ambiguous leading up to the given unsatifying outcome, I would agree -- we would be at fault. But those aren't the cases that get "attacked", as you put it.

    What was the most common complaint when Ninjas were complaining about the impact of latency on Mudras/Ninjutsu? The uptime cost due to ping.

    There was no community push to make them into GCDs. There was, however, a hugely unified push to remove the way our clients reset their truly global internal cooldowns (the period of time after any action for which no further action can be made), to the benefit of every job in the game.

    While the TCJ change was borrowed wholesale from the community, there was zero push to further simplify NIN's GCD rotation by turning a combo into Sonic Break-lite.

    If the changes were made per the actual requests given, we'd simply have seen the roundtrip-ping uptime cost per action removed from the game (currently done by a large portion of PC players via a plugin that just toggles off that unnecessary self-sabotage), DWD-Assassination turned into a single button, TCJ possibly swiftened, and Meisui buffed or rehauled. That was it. The requests were very clear, and no part of them asked for the removal of combos.

    Shake it Off? Warriors asked for it to actually work (i.e., cleanse at least what all Esuna could), and to be potentially buffed to actually have effect in that same vein worth putting on one's bar. What did they get? A simplified copy of Veil with the Intervention gimmick in place of Veil's pre-cooling capacity.

    Inner Release? Warriors asked for it not to take so long to wind up and to be of better use in emergencies, such as by doubling Beast Gauge generated, and for small Unchained buffs opposite it. What did they get? A complete simplification that removed 2 abilities.

    Delirium? Dark Knights asked for it to be more, in itself, than just a bit of extra buff duration and a bit of MP, ideally in a way that makes them feel like they're tapping into that Blood/Void-based 'delirium'. What did they get? A later-day Inner Release clone.

    Summoner's whole EW rework? The community asked for its depth to be quickly appreciable / intuitive and for it to build more around summons-as-pets and their elements. The results, most depth was simply outright removed, pets were removed in favor of variably delayed spells (chicken nugget walks in; chicken nugget go boom -> big chicken nugget drops in; big chicken nugget go boom), and the actual number of useful offensive actions for any given point in time were halved. Only a quarter of the result at most followed the community's requests ('their elements'); the rest fell outside the requests or were directly contradictory to them.

    Tl;dr:
    You would have to go well out of your way to blind yourself to the comments, and then purposely misconstrue what little remains, for those changes that have since been so criticized to have been 'based on' what the community requested. They wouldn't be so heavily criticized if they were actually in keeping with what was asked for.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 06-22-2023 at 11:14 AM. Reason: typo; Ew/EW