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[VelKallor]

I am going to ask one question. Please dont clobber me but God I have to ask as this has been driving me nuts.

Who or what in the name of the Twelve is a "Zodiark trancer'? I am getting serious Tim Thomerson vibes here..or is this something I really dont want to know?

[Zebraoracle]

I am going to ask one question. Please dont clobber me but God I have to ask as this has been driving me nuts.

Who or what in the name of the Twelve is a "Zodiark trancer'? I am getting serious Tim Thomerson vibes here..or is this something I really dont want to know?

I'm *pretty sure* I don't have the full correct answer, but part of it at least is I'm pretty sure they're a group that hated the EW story and wanted Zodiark to be the hero instead of Hydaelyn. With some stuff thrown in from some random user who DM'd me a while back on discord (I have no idea who that user was, and they've since deleted what I'm guessing was a throwaway account), I'm suspecting there's also 4chan culture aspect to it as well, but this is just speculation on my end.

[Kozh]

I'm *pretty sure* I don't have the full correct answer, but part of it at least is I'm pretty sure they're a group that hated the EW story and wanted Zodiark to be the hero instead of Hydaelyn. With some stuff thrown in from some random user who DM'd me a while back on discord (I have no idea who that user was, and they've since deleted what I'm guessing was a throwaway account), I'm suspecting there's also 4chan culture aspect to it as well, but this is just speculation on my end.

Sigh, to clarify, again (and I hope for the final time), no I don't actually don't make that comic so that zodiark is the hero.

First and foremost, the idea was born simply because I was thinking of how cool it'll be if we get zodiark trance skill for SMN in 7.0. I find the trance system to be cooler than egi, so there's that. Plus I've been wanting to practice a more action oriented comic, so it's suppose to kill two birds with one stone.

Second, rather than wanting to make zodiark the hero, the comic is more of my reaction to how the story handles Venat. People may not trust me, but believe it when I said that I used to be on hydaelyn camp/side. When people was accusing her of being the bad guy back in ShB, I told them to wait until EW, to hear her side of the whole event. Fast forward to EW, instead of finding Venat to be the sympathetic good guy who accidentally cause sundering, she's now someone who deliberately killing her own people based on her ideology after hearing 2 lines report from a corrupted entelechy. And worse, she refuse to tell anyone, including her followers. Now if the story treat her like, for example, Thordan or Ilberd, by having the Scions to question, call her out, and "refuse" her "love", then I won't have any problem with EW. Yet what happened is the opposite. The scions have always been against "killing/sacrificing people for the greater good", why now they're suddenly okay with it?

So yeah, you know when they said betrayal hurts more than some strangers hurting you? I suppose that's what I've been feeling since EW. Enough to push me into making the comic.

(sorry for the rant).

Lastly, I'm not sure what you mean by 4chan culture. Perhaps you're talking about the person who DM you, but regardless, to clarify this (because it's important): I never once post on 4chan.
Heck, I don't even know 4chan has a videogame/mmo community. I only posted on reddit and my twitter. Sometimes later, someone edited one page and post it on shitpostxiv subreddit, which I assume that's where 4chan get it from. If not from shitpostxiv, I suspect that the "leaker" is the one who posted it there themself.

[Zebraoracle]

Sigh, to clarify, again (and I hope for the final time), no I don't actually don't make that comic so that zodiark is the hero.

First and foremost, the idea was born simply because I was thinking of how cool it'll be if we get zodiark trance skill for SMN in 7.0. I find the trance system to be cooler than egi, so there's that. Plus I've been wanting to practice a more action oriented comic, so it's suppose to kill two birds with one stone.

Second, rather than wanting to make zodiark the hero, the comic is more of my reaction to how the story handles Venat. People may not trust me, but believe it when I said that I used to be on hydaelyn camp/side. When people was accusing her of being the bad guy back in ShB, I told them to wait until EW, to hear her side of the whole event. Fast forward to EW, instead of finding Venat to be the sympathetic good guy who accidentally cause sundering, she's now someone who deliberately killing her own people based on her ideology after hearing 2 lines report from a corrupted entelechy. And worse, she refuse to tell anyone, including her followers. Now if the story treat her like, for example, Thordan or Ilberd, by having the Scions to question, call her out, and "refuse" her "love", then I won't have any problem with EW. Yet what happened is the opposite. The scions have always been against "killing/sacrificing people for the greater good", why now they're suddenly okay with it?

So yeah, you know when they said betrayal hurts more than some strangers hurting you? I suppose that's what I've been feeling since EW. Enough to push me into making the comic.

(sorry for the rant).

Lastly, I'm not sure what you mean by 4chan culture. Perhaps you're talking about the person who DM you, but regardless, to clarify this (because it's important): I never once post on 4chan.
Heck, I don't even know 4chan has a videogame/mmo community. I only posted on reddit and my twitter. Sometimes later, someone edited one page and post it on shitpostxiv subreddit, which I assume that's where 4chan get it from. If not from shitpostxiv, I suspect that the "leaker" is the one who posted it there themself.

Thank you for the clarification, my post grossly oversimplified it. Sorry about that.

The 4chan thing is based off of what this mystery person sent me (someone later told me this individual was not to be trusted) of screencaps of 4chan/discord posts where the individuals in the caps were speaking in typical 4chan mannerisms (dropping slurs as a normal mode of speech), and as I said was just speculation on my part, not an accusation or anything like that.

[Fawkes]

I am going to ask one question. Please dont clobber me but God I have to ask as this has been driving me nuts.

Who or what in the name of the Twelve is a "Zodiark trancer'? I am getting serious Tim Thomerson vibes here..or is this something I really dont want to know?

I think "Zodiark Trance" is supposed to be like SMN's Dreadwyrm Trance? idk that never clicked for me I just thought it was a weird name.

I found this post insightful:

Actually the term originates from a fan fiction comic which a fairly good artist made, detailing his OC version of Azem confronting Hydaelyn and using a, "Zodiark Trance" to channel dark power and fight her by himself. Rather than being fans of Zodiark, the, "trancers" are mostly fans of the Ascians/Ancients. This translates to being fans of Zodiark, but not a lot of them are really stuck on liking Zodiark, since Zodiark doesn't get a lot of characterization.

They aren't upset that their fanfiction didn't come true. It's more, they're upset that the protagonist centered morality inherent in XIV's narrative let Hydaelyn/Venat off too easy, breaking a lot of characterization for most of the Scions as well as making the WoL complicit with her deeds via informing her about her future, thus planting the idea to do what she did.

I don't remember who started referring to them as trancers in the first place, but it was only after that comic came out and got bashed that I started seeing it.

They argued their piece for a couple of years, but most of them quit back in like February. Now they mostly talk about Elder Scrolls Online or other games outside of the FFXIV spaces in their discords, though they do check in here from time to time.

It's kind of funny, because they're seen as a big, homogenous group that's all shadowy and sinister and out to get people for liking Endwalker. But about all they really do is still argue about it on Twitter once or twice a week, and keep to themselves.

I guess I'm technically one of them, but I'm unable to embrace the rivalries and drama at every turn. There's a lot of stuff I don't even know about fully, going on, on places like Reddit and 4chan. Sometimes it feels like they just respond to tweets or show they don't like Endwalker to remind people that they're still around and it's OK to not like it. Mainly to spite the people willing to doxx them/ DM them death threats etc.

[Zebraoracle]

I think "Zodiark Trance" is supposed to be like SMN's Dreadwyrm Trance? idk that never clicked for me I just thought it was a weird name.

I found this post insightful:

A better explanation than mine, thank you.

[Ivtrix]

A better explanation than mine, thank you.

I assumed it was in a trance a La hypnosis

Going to take a guess that they are so all in on wanting zodiark to be the good guy that they are brainwashed/hypnotized, therefore in a trance

Edit: nvm read the post actually explaining

[AwesomeJr44]

*the Vyrerus quote*

Yeah, this is pretty much it tbh. Someone made a comic where the WoL "Zodiark Trances" and people started memeing on it as the dialogue was admittedly a little cringy. (I'm fairly sure the author's main language wasn't English either) It basically means a person that likes the Ancients/Ascians more than the heroes and/or dislikes the 6.0 story.

I'd go get the picture but the subreddit is still down over the blackout nonsense. It still shows up in Google images though.

I have never said this game is perfect ( BTW I do NOT appreciate having someone claim I said otherwise when I never DID, thank you. )

You're really hung up on this.

During a mass casualty training exercise, we were trained in triage. What does that mean? Knowing that you cant save some no matter what you do and you MUST leave them. You have no idea how I felt when the examiner said "She has internal injuries, we dont have time, leave her and move on"

Leaving someone to die because you can't help them and murdering innocent people because they can't solve a problem they don't even know exists aren't the same thing. Not sure where the Venat discussion is coming from though.