Just get rid of ranked

[Towa-Musa]

I do think ultimate raids are very similar to that of ranked, in terms of a pve to pvp comparison. It's a niche piece of content that is appeals towards people who want to try and experience a challenging version of content they already enjoy. .

That's quite literally the only similarity that is true. that its niche and a small amount of players actually enjoy it.

This is especially true for small pvp arena modes where the main enjoyment from doing ranked specifically, at least for me anyways, is trying to get better by fighting people who are equal/higher than me in skill. The idea of going into casual to just farm kills on Timmy who just queues into CC to level up a class and doesn't care about actually playing the game does not sound fun at all in the slightest. And I imagine someone who just wants to play CC for fun doesn't want to go up against Gus the No Lifer who does nothing but queues CC and just farms you constantly.

You're gonna find those kinds of people in both modes no matter what, i guarantee you, you will.

The only real "life support" it needs is an occasional shake up of decent rewards to keep people caring to queue ranked. I think what they did recently with the Hellhound glows is fine since it's minimal enough to not cause people to feel FOMO, at least compared to the Feast's ranked rewards of unique armor/mounts, and as far as we know will not be removed from the game at any point in time. They would probably just have to add some new glow type for weapons every few major patches to not feel stale, which would probably not even be that big of a deal to make at all.

Dude, that does not change the fact that it NEEDS incentive for people to WANT to actually que for ranked. nobody save for a small few actually WANT to play ranked over casual and ranked dies within three weeks.
History is repeating itself, so instead of letting it fully repeat i say just pull the plug and invest dev resources where it truly matters rather then keeping a mode on constant life support.

[Astralrisk]

That's quite literally the only similarity that is true. that its niche and a small amount of players actually enjoy it.



You're gonna find those kinds of people in both modes no matter what, i guarantee you, you will.

It's mostly considered niche in the sense that it is challenging. Obviously the mode has issues because of how this game is coded and designed, and I know the existence of a ranked mode won't outright stop higher skilled players going into the casual queue. However, I still think it's better than not having it for a small team arena game mode. The reason the mode exists is specifically to offer that for a crowd of people that SE knows exists because that is what small arena based game modes appeal to the most in almost every video game.

Dude, that does not change the fact that it NEEDS incentive for people to WANT to actually que for ranked. nobody save for a small few actually WANT to play ranked over casual and ranked dies within three weeks.
History is repeating itself, so instead of letting it fully repeat i say just pull the plug and invest dev resources where it truly matters rather then keeping a mode on constant life support.

Like I just said in the post, adding the weapon glows is already a decent incentive to allow people to go into rank and work for. Having that is already a huge improvement compared to portrait frames that we've gotten for three major patches in a row. Can the reward system be better? Yes, having a way to where everyone of all ranks can work towards getting the glows would be better since it'll keep even the lower tier crowd invested if they get stuck in the lower ranks. I would say that the reward alone has kept Primal ranked queues alive longer than they have been for the last couple of seasons, again can still be better but it's a step in the right direction.

[Towa-Musa]

It's mostly considered niche in the sense that it is challenging. Obviously the mode has issues because of how this game is coded and designed, and I know the existence of a ranked mode won't outright stop higher skilled players going into the casual queue. However, I still think it's better than not having it for a small team arena game mode. The reason the mode exists is specifically to offer that for a crowd of people that SE knows exists because that is what small arena based game modes appeal to the most in almost every video game.



Like I just said in the post, adding the weapon glows is already a decent incentive to allow people to go into rank and work for. Having that is already a huge improvement compared to portrait frames that we've gotten for three major patches in a row. Can the reward system be better? Yes, having a way to where everyone of all ranks can work towards getting the glows would be better since it'll keep even the lower tier crowd invested if they get stuck in the lower ranks. I would say that the reward alone has kept Primal ranked queues alive longer than they have been for the last couple of seasons, again can still be better but it's a step in the right direction.

You're not listening to me lol

The Reward IS the life support and on its own its no different from casual CC, im not saying to do away with the mode im saying get rid of ranked because CLEARLY its not liked by anybody save for the incredibly small minority and requires incentive for anybody to care.
and when i say history repeating itself i mean; Ranked players are going to constantly complain about there not being enough rewards untill they get glowing/dyable feast armors and its going to annoy the majority causing everybody to ONLY go in for the glam and not ranked itself, that stresses the player base out and nobody wants that. SO rather then recreating that shitstorm, why not focus on expanding the crystal shop and series pass? (and if i recall correctly even when they had the feast armor barely anybody went into ranked.)

[Astralrisk]

You're not listening to me lol

The Reward IS the life support and on its own its no different from casual CC, im not saying to do away with the mode im saying get rid of ranked because CLEARLY its not liked by anybody save for the incredibly small minority and requires incentive for anybody to care.
and when i say history repeating itself i mean; Ranked players are going to constantly complain about there not being enough rewards untill they get glowing/dyable feast armors and its going to annoy the majority causing everybody to ONLY go in for the glam and not ranked itself, that stresses the player base out and nobody wants that. SO rather then recreating that shitstorm, why not focus on expanding the crystal shop and series pass? (and if i recall correctly even when they had the feast armor barely anybody went into ranked.)

I do think I am understanding your point with removing ranked, sorry if I phrased it like I was misinterpreting it. And while I do think that ranked should get some kind of extra incentive to attract people to playing it, it should expand that reward to every rank to allow them to progress to getting that reward in some way. Saw a comment in another forum post saying it should just have the Overwatch gold weapon skin system to allow anyone of any rank to progress to getting a glowy weapon and just make that process faster for higher rank people. It's the most middle ground approach to the situation and I think it would be fine. I also think that Crystal Shop should get expanded rewards along with better series pass rewards cuz man most of these rewards for general PvP have been mid lately. However, I don't think the designing for the glows had taken a lot of time to actually make and didn't impeded the creation of new armor and weapons (I don't know actual game development process, I just assume based off the quality of the glows themselves so I can totally just be wrong. I do genuinely think they should focus more on the casual side rather than ranked but I don't think dropping rank entirely would be wise unless they are somehow pressed for budget. But seeing as how this is the biggest title that is singlehandedly funding almost all of SE's projects I assume they would have enough.

[Towa-Musa]

I do think I am understanding your point with removing ranked, sorry if I phrased it like I was misinterpreting it. And while I do think that ranked should get some kind of extra incentive to attract people to playing it, it should expand that reward to every rank to allow them to progress to getting that reward in some way. Saw a comment in another forum post saying it should just have the Overwatch gold weapon skin system to allow anyone of any rank to progress to getting a glowy weapon and just make that process faster for higher rank people. It's the most middle ground approach to the situation and I think it would be fine. I also think that Crystal Shop should get expanded rewards along with better series pass rewards cuz man most of these rewards for general PvP have been mid lately. However, I don't think the designing for the glows had taken a lot of time to actually make and didn't impeded the creation of new armor and weapons (I don't know actual game development process, I just assume based off the quality of the glows themselves so I can totally just be wrong. I do genuinely think they should focus more on the casual side rather than ranked but I don't think dropping rank entirely would be wise unless they are somehow pressed for budget. But seeing as how this is the biggest title that is singlehandedly funding almost all of SE's projects I assume they would have enough.

I think the only things ranked should get are what they getting now+ furniture items, thats it. *yes i think ranked should get future weapon glows.*
if they start getting armors its gonna be quite literally feast all over again, everybody is gonna be nagging about how ranked sucks and why do they get all these cool armors while they do not update the wolfmark shop at all. 16 freaking seasons of this by the way.