Zodiark's Codex entry what do we think about it?

[Ayche]

I know I'm not the person you responded to here, but since your previous post was a response to mine I hope you wont mind.
The thing I personally would object to here was the rhetoric in your post there, not the whole "being upset about the plan to wholesale kill the entire new natural world" part. I am not one who will defend the actions of the Ascians anyway.

But yes the real problem I have with your rhetoric is that it essentially boils down to "they brought their destruction on themselves by being evil savages", which is an excuse that gets lobbed against me and my people in real life all the time to justify our destruction, the attempt to find some sort of moral deficiency with which to excuse the deliberate wholesale destruction of a national group.

I was thinking what is the best way to respond, I think in the end I just want to say I hope nothing in FFXIV is coded in such a way that it feels like an attack on you and yours directly. In fiction it is fine to indulge in intense emotions because majority of the time the things we love or hate are completely disconnected from reality with little coding to anything in real life. I make my moral judgements on the fictional entities of FFXIV on the face that they are icons of their own design.

Well, they weren't - Hythlodaeus says they were planning to sacrifice only a portion of the new life - but that's kinda beside the point.

It just felt a little tone deaf in the middle of a discussion about the rhetoric people use to describe the Ancients being killed sometimes sounds uncomfortably close to the way people post-hoc justify the extinction of real world groups. That's not to accuse you of any flippancy. Again, I think it's the fault of the writers for constructing the scenario without fully thinking through the coding.

Portion then, I admit forgetting that they specified on it... in Elpis?

My post was mostly to push back on the idea that it was a neutral conflict, that there was no moral skew on the sides. I think I have gone softer on the pre-final days ancients, they were not secretly evil but rather rolled snake eyes at a very unfortunate moment with Hermes, but the resulting disaster did turn them towards a dark path. Life is sacred, and while x pounds of moogles/beasts/sylphies = 1 ancient soul, there is no way to make that math moral.

So I am inclined to put the moral higher ground on ending their society before it goes, I dunno, like the omicrons in their own way.