Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
Thank you for your earlier reply. The issue that I take with a lot of these arguments is that you cannot simply 'fill in' what you feel might have happened and assign blame based off of a guess. There are large historical gaps that we know next to nothing about. Did Amaurot truly 'disappear' overnight? Or did people gradually drift away over thousands of years? The only comparison points that we have are spaced twelve thousand years apart.

The reconstructed 'memory' of Amaurot at the Macarenses Angle represents a time before Zodiark's summoning. Was the place even intact by the time Zodiark was summoned? Did it survive the battle between Zodiark and Hydaelyn? It seems to me that if Amaurot itself was even partially standing, it should be serviceable as a place of shelter. If Emet was present in the midst of this, you'd surely think that he might of lead a push for people to settle there and attempt to rebuild and restore Amaurot to what it was. Did he succeed, for a time? There's no way of knowing without more information. I expect that most human nations would not remain culturally unchanged across twelve thousand years, even if he did.

This story leaves me with more questions than answers, and I'm always surprised at how sure everyone seems to be of themselves. 'Doubt' is good.
I know that the story can sometimes be a bit fuzzy and vague, but honestly every answer Ishikawa and Oda have given on the Sundering indicates to me that it was an immediate destruction of the world and it's inhabitants.
After all, I don't think Emet said "That Light split the world, and every life upon it!" because culture just naturally developed and changed over time, and I also don't think Ishikawa wrote "Language, culture, knowledge - forgotten" directly after the Sundering scene to indicate "yeah they just sort of naturally changed over time, no big deal".

(Also the rhetoric and denialism I talked about legit bothers me, someone disagreeing with me on lore and thinking I'm silly and wrong on the lore doesn't bother me at all, so please don't think I'm using my experiences to try to guilt people into agreeing with me on lore. I really am fine with just disagreements on the story, I am very much not fine with the unironic usage of dehumanizing rhetoric, or attempts at downplaying the severity of cultural erasure. I hope you can understand).

Quote Originally Posted by Ayche View Post
I will admit that I am more of a lore forum drifter where I like reading this place and rarely really joining in the discussions, but I don't know if you reacted like this because of general frustration already at the time or like ... it is weird for me to be still upset over their plan to wholesale kill the entire new natural world?
I know I'm not the person you responded to here, but since your previous post was a response to mine I hope you wont mind.
The thing I personally would object to here was the rhetoric in your post there, not the whole "being upset about the plan to wholesale kill the entire new natural world" part. I am not one who will defend the actions of the Ascians anyway.

But yes the real problem I have with your rhetoric is that it essentially boils down to "they brought their destruction on themselves by being evil savages", which is an excuse that gets lobbed against me and my people in real life all the time to justify our destruction, the attempt to find some sort of moral deficiency with which to excuse the deliberate wholesale destruction of a national group.