Stuff we have lost each expansion since shadowbringers

[Shurrikhan]

have to agree with you on this. sure, it may have changed, doesnt mean we need to like the change.

plenty of single player games out there for people who want that kind of thing. for me, the changes towards a more solo game is not sitting overly well, but we will see how far they take it.

I honestly wouldn't mind Trusts... if their AI was good enough to cause some incidental learning, rather than (as presently the case)... the opposite (terrible AI encouraging wasteful habits / abandoned opportunities for improvement). At least then they'd be helping to prepare players for multiplayer engagement. But instead, the gap in ceilings between them makes it increasingly awkward for players to move back and forth between multiplayer and single-player modes.

[KitingGenbu]

I honestly wouldn't mind Trusts... if their AI was good enough to cause some incidental learning, rather than (as presently the case)... the opposite (terrible AI encouraging wasteful habits / abandoned opportunities for improvement). At least then they'd be helping to prepare players for multiplayer engagement. But instead, the gap in ceilings between them makes it increasingly awkward for players to move back and forth between multiplayer and single-player modes.

Personally, I think they should make Trust worse. I get people have social anxiety/prefer to play alone at times/etc, but it should be a 'last resort' option and constantly remind people of such.

[Shurrikhan]

Personally, I think they should make Trust worse. I get people have social anxiety/prefer to play alone at times/etc, but it should be a 'last resort' option and constantly remind people of such.

Sure, but you can do that by just applying a %damage reduction to Trust party members, instead of by inundating players with play limited to the shallowest of AIs (no deliberate AoE, no preemptive positioning, little to no CDs, etc.).

[IkaraGreydancer]

I find the complaints about trust to be funny. Most of yall probably don't say shizz in content anyways. Hell trusts speak more than most real players. There's 100 different things to do with real players. If dungeons having the OPTION to play solo bothers you that's a you problem.

I'll care about trusts in that way if we're ever able to run raids with them. Until then I say keep em in dungeons

[KitingGenbu]

Sure, but you can do that by just raising the mobs' and bosses' HP, or applying a %damage reduction to Trust party members, instead of by inundating players with play limited to the shallowest of AIs.

True, but keep in mind that tooning trust AI takes continuous work. This is an important thing to note because all of SE's development team is in house, so the more bodies you have working on something like this, which should be treated as a side option to begin with, the less bodies you have working on something else. Besides, there's plenty of other avenues people can utilize to level up in this game and acquire gear if that's their goal while also avoiding dungeon/group related content (fates/daily hunts come to mind).

[Shurrikhan]

True, but keep in mind that tooning trust AI takes continuous work. This is an important thing to note because all of SE's development team is in house, so the more bodies you have working on something like this, which should be treated as a side option to begin with, the less bodies you have working on something else. Besides, there's plenty of other avenues people can utilize to level up in this game and acquire gear if that's their goal while also avoiding dungeon/group related content (fates/daily hunts come to mind).

I'm not saying improving Trust AI (while decreasing their %damage to keep them relatively inefficient even if they were slightly more 'skillful' than your average roulette rando) would be an efficient use of resources. It's just what I think would be required for Trusts not to be, in the long run, bad for the game / playerbase.

The game should be improving its learning curve to better ready players for Savage. Instead, since Trusts were introduced, we've only seen its content get dumbed down further, while the Trusts themselves are bad habits / lack of improvement-opportunities incarnate.

[SieyaM]

Someone actually came up with a reason for that which involved the soul crystals. Everything you learn through your job quests is learned from the information stored in the soul crystal. When you finish your job quests you begin coming up with the techniques yourself, and instead you are now putting information into the soul crystals as you develop.

It fits the lore, even if it doesn't change how you feel or even if it might just be a poor excuse.

I could get behind this if there was some kind of trial or something that gave me a feeling that we actually learned these things, it doesn't have to be someone teaching us but something that shows us learning the new abilities rather than just a pop up when we level.

[Sebazy]

So you/they didn't want more difficulty, you wanted better loot, you basically admitted. Nothing new there. That's usually the tune; "We want harder content!!" = "We want better loot!!!"
WoW is --> that way.

I mean you even quoted the bit where I said that I really enjoyed running and learning it blind on launch lol =(

Consider this:

An extreme primal is worth running repeatedly for a mount with a fairly decent chance of ending up with 99 clears.

Savage is worth running repeatedly for gear, weapons, a mount etc for a bare minimum of 8 clears but likely more if you have alt jobs.

Now ask yourself, how many times is it worth clearing the Criterion Savage dungeon? You can get the mount from regular Criterion and the only unique item from Savage is the earring if I'm remembering it correctly.

Take some deep breaths for a sec and think about it.

[VelKallor]

have to agree with you on this. sure, it may have changed, doesnt mean we need to like the change.

MMO means a large player environment, it doesnt mean you ONLY play with other players all the time. The reasons for Trusts and the Duty Support system have already been outlined. Dont be surprised when those same systems are adopted across a broader aspect.

AI developement is accelerating, so from my POV it isnt if..its when. Better get used to it.

Oh and Drakon? You'll be my age one day. So, Id also cool it with the age remarks, you will be there a lot faster than you imagine.

Tempus fugit.

[GaiusDrakon]

MMO means a large player environment, it doesnt mean you ONLY play with other players all the time. The reasons for Trusts and the Duty Support system have already been outlined. Dont be surprised when those same systems are adopted across a broader aspect.

AI developement is accelerating, so from my POV it isnt if..its when. Better get used to it.

Oh and Drakon? You'll be my age one day. So, Id also cool it with the age remarks, you will be there a lot faster than you imagine.

Tempus fugit.

I love grandmas but you're not just a grandma, you're a grandma off her meds. There's a diff.