Stuff we have lost each expansion since shadowbringers

[Eorzean_username]

Each expansion since.....one expansion ago. Big time span to talk about there.

That is a magnificently useless comment.

Not counting 1.x, since it's basically a different game, FFXIV has had 4 expansions since ARR released: HW, SB, ShB, EW, covering the period of 2015-2023 (and ongoing).

The OP mentioned things lost over both ShB and EW, a span of 4 of those 8 years of expansion time (2019-2023).

Therefore, the OP's issues and complaints cover 50% of the post-ARR expansion-era duration — and actually more in real-time, if you account for COVID bloat of ShB, and the fact that EW will probably run until 2024.

So yes, actually, it is a large time-span to talk about — a very significant time span, in fact.

...Did you actually think before typing at all?

[Alleluia]

I'm not sure its accurate to say a deep dungeon plus exploratory zone in one expac is lost since it only happened one expac. It isn't a break in a pattern cus there wasn't a pattern to break.

Role quests (and Mean/Studium for crafters) replacing class quest storylines is something I don't like either. I like having class specific storylines that are used to flesh out the world. That said, the role quests, mean, and studium quests do add lore on their own and also flesh out the world, so its not a total loss. Just not as much as we might have had in a theoretical perfect setup. I'm all for asking for class quests back, though. Or at least for more class quests for new jobs that only have one set. Cus I recognize coming up with literally 31 unique storylines (and counting, as they add new jobs) each expac -- in addition to the zone quest lines, tribes, etc, plus experimental content-- and also expecting them to be engaging and interesting, might be a bit too much of an ask.

[Boblawblah]

You could at least quote me if you're going to comment on my posts.

Anyways, comparing Eureka to Island Sanctuary isn't really fair. I mean first off, Island Sanctuary is current content, while Eureka is from SB. Considering things like the growth of the playerbase, and there's already a good reason why Island Sanctuary would have way more players participating. They're also two completely different types of content, with IS being casual non-combat with Eureka being a combat based grind with story, exploration and relic gear all involved.

Also, the idea that not enough players are participating in said content and therefore that type of content shouldn't be made in the future is insane considering that is something that seems to have been done consistently throughout this game's existence. The majority of the playerbase doesn't touch Ex+ content either.

But you likely knew all this, and you simply stated this in bad faith with the intention of getting a gotcha.

Apologies, I read through the thread (including your posts I guess) and made a comment based on my thoughts of reading all of it. I wasn't meaning to solo your post out. Also, my post wasn't intended on being a 'gotcha' moment. Not every conversation needs to be a fight, i was just sharing my thoughts.

I don't know why they've decided to not create a new Eureka/Bozja so far, maybe they will. That said, with the majority of their playerbase not bothering with it, even with relic weapons being locked behind it, combined with the amount of resources/time needed to make it, they might simply say "Yea, this isn't worth it." EX+ is already a drain in terms of content that most players will never bother with, but SE has shown willingness to make it regardless, which is a good thing imo. In my opinion, what makes something like Eureka unique is that they had put something really tempting behind Eureka to encourage players to do the content, and even then, most simply said 'nope'.

Just my thoughts though, I'm not an expert, just a single poster with my own views. I personally can't stand Eureka, as I said, it's a chat room with an artificial grind. I see little difference between afking/chatting in Limsa and grinding/chatting in Eureka. Relics are the only reason I've gone there.

[Miyumi_Nara]

Honestly why are people comparing island sanctuary to eureka? When it's meant to be the Mor dhona restairtaion The Ishgard retsoartaion The Doman enclave retsoartion. Replacement? I really don't get why people are comparing it to eureka. Theres no combat in island sanctuary. It's just a harvest moon version of the diadem that you expand as you rank up. A bad one at that.

[SieyaM]

I will say that since the loss of job/class quests and gaining abilities from them I feel like I haven't really earned anything when levelling up a job. The new abilities are just kind of handed to you without any kind of fanfare or reason for us to have learned them. It would be alright if that were consistent, but we started out learning these skills from mentors and events and now it feels kind of like eh whatever you levelled up so here is some new stuff.

[NekoMataMata]

I will say that since the loss of job/class quests and gaining abilities from them I feel like I haven't really earned anything when levelling up a job. The new abilities are just kind of handed to you without any kind of fanfare or reason for us to have learned them. It would be alright if that were consistent, but we started out learning these skills from mentors and events and now it feels kind of like eh whatever you levelled up so here is some new stuff.

Someone actually came up with a reason for that which involved the soul crystals. Everything you learn through your job quests is learned from the information stored in the soul crystal. When you finish your job quests you begin coming up with the techniques yourself, and instead you are now putting information into the soul crystals as you develop.

It fits the lore, even if it doesn't change how you feel or even if it might just be a poor excuse.

[R041]

Someone actually came up with a reason for that which involved the soul crystals. Everything you learn through your job quests is learned from the information stored in the soul crystal. When you finish your job quests you begin coming up with the techniques yourself, and instead you are now putting information into the soul crystals as you develop.

It fits the lore, even if it doesn't change how you feel or even if it might just be a poor excuse.

Just like XIV - Come up with lore as to why things suck. lol

Whatever makes people feel better I guess.

[kaynide]

This, again? Really? Didn’t see the umpteen other posts detailing exactly what each expansion put out in terms of content?

Including patterns of content release and dev talk on it? There’s a lot of information on the what’s and whys.

[GaiusDrakon]

This, again? Really? Didn’t see the umpteen other posts detailing exactly what each expansion put out in terms of content?

Including patterns of content release and dev talk on it? There’s a lot of information on the what’s and whys.

You mean posts that count four Eureka zones and Baldesion as 1 and counting shit like Custom Deliveries as 1 as well. You people are idiots if you don't see through the obvious bad faith counting lmao.

[kaynide]

You mean posts that count four Eureka zones and Baldesion as 1 and counting shit like Custom Deliveries as 1 as well. You people are idiots if you don't see through the obvious bad faith counting lmao.

Or you could look at the expansion as a whole and compare/contrast.
Even comparing specific patches in the cycle, they haven't really skimped.


Patch 3.4

Main Story: Soul Surrender (10 quests)
Side Story: Further Hildibrand Adventures (2 quests)
Side Story: Saint Endalim's Scholasticate (4 quests)
Normal Raid: Raid Alexander: The Creator and Raid Alexander: The Creator (Savage), the third and final part of the Alexander story and raid series
Dungeon: Dungeon Xelphatol, Dungeon The Great Gubal Library (Hard)
Chronicles of a New Era: The Warring Triad
Trials: Trial Containment Bay P1T6, Trial Containment Bay P1T6 (Extreme)
PvP mode - Player versus Player Dueling
Anima Weapons (3 quests) (3.45)

System Changes and Additions

Housing: Apartment buildings have been added to every ward and corresponding subdivision, with 90 rooms per building.
Grand Company Adventurer Squadrons
Additional Grand Company ranks
Deep Dungeon Palace of the Dead expanded (3.45)
Rankings added for clear times and score
Wondrous Tails - Additional way to interact with older content

Miscellaneous

New Allagan Tomestone currency: Allagan Tomestone of Scripture Allagan Tomestones of Scripture
Allagan Tomestone of Esoterics Allagan Tomestones of Esoterics are now deprecated and can be exchanged for Allagan Tomestone of Lore Allagan Tomestones of Lore for a limited time.
Allagan Tomestone of Lore Allagan Tomestones of Lore are no longer limited to 450 per week.
Allagan Tomestone of Law Allagan Tomestones of Law have been removed.
Orchestrion Playlists
Aquariums - housing furniture for displaying fish
W Cross Hotbar - new controller scheme for additional hotbar spaces
The Gold Saucer - Triple Triad Battlehall, Lord of Verminion added to Duty Finder, Jumbo Cactpot now up to 3 tickets per week.
Glamour prism icon1.png

Glamour Prisms and Clear prism icon1.png

Clear Prisms made single-tier. Old grade 2-5 prisms exchangeable for the new single-tier ones.

Patch 6.4

New Content

Main Story: The Dark Throne (9 quests)
Side Story: Somehow Further Hildibrand Adventures (?? quests) (6.45)
Side Story: Tataru's Grand Endeavor (2 quests)
Raid Series: Raid Pandæmonium: Anabaseios, Raid Pandæmonium: Anabaseios (Savage) the third and final part of the Pandæmonium story and raid series
Dungeon: Dungeon The Aetherfont
Variant Dungeon: Variant Dungeon Mount Rokkon (6.45)
Criterion Dungeons: Criterion Dungeon Another Mount Rokkon, Criterion Dungeon Another Mount Rokkon (Savage) (6.45)
Trials: Trial The Voidcast Dais, Trial The Voidcast Dais (Extreme)
Faux Hollows: Trial Containment Bay Z1T9 (Unreal)
Blue Mage frame icon.png Blue Mage update (6.45)
New spells, gear, and Masked Carnivale Stages
Level cap increase from 70 to 80
Island Sanctuary update
Ocean Fishing new route
System Changes and Additions

Main Scenario improvements
Duty Support for Dungeon The Sirensong Sea, Dungeon Bardam's Mettle, Dungeon Doma Castle, Dungeon Castrum Abania, and Dungeon Ala Mhigo.
Manderville Weapons third stage (6.45)
DoH/DoL Splendorous Tools fourth stage (6.45)
Frontline changes
New PvP match score and time UI element
Player versus Player The Fields of Glory (Shatter) rules changed.
Player versus Player The Borderland Ruins (Secure) temporarily closed.

Miscellaneous

PvP Series 3 will end with the launch of 6.4
New Allagan Tomestone currency: Allagan Tomestone of ComedyAllagan Tomestones of Comedy
Allagan Tomestone of AstronomyAllagan Tomestones of Astronomy are now deprecated and can be exchanged for Allagan Tomestone of CausalityAllagan Tomestones of Causality for a limited time.
Allagan Tomestone of CausalityAllagan Tomestones of Causality are no longer limited to 450 per week.
Allagan Tomestone of AphorismAllagan Tomestones of Aphorism have been removed.

If you couldn't be bothered to read that, I assume you don't realize what's going into each patch.

Short-ish Version

Both have:
9-10 MSQ
4-6ish Side story Quests
a raid series
dungeons (3.x had 2, but 6.x has the variant dungeon AND Criterion)
1 Trial and its EX
Relic Weapon related content

New/updates in 3.4
Apartments (yeah, this was an entirely new thing)
Grand Company Adventure Squads
Extra GC ranks
Deep Dungeon expanded
Wondrous Tails (also an entirely new thing)

6.4 added:
Additional Blue Mage Content
Additional Island Sanctuary
Additional Ocean Fishing
Updates to the duty support system
New Unreal

...and this is only 1 patch.

...


If you only want to compare one specific piece of content (aka Eureka) and complain about it being "lost" in exchange for something else (aka Island Sanctuary), without taking into account everything else the devs are doing (eg Duty Support; Criterion Dungeons; whatever else), by all means do so. It comes across as ignorant as to what the dev's direction in the game is, how much time/effort they want to spend on a particular kind of content, and what the target audience is doing in game.

In other words, if there isn't a new Eureka or Bozja, consider that a lot of players might not have bothered doing them...whereas there IS a new deep dungeon...which probably means the casual audience is doing them.

The devs decided to put in Manderville, of all things, before a new Bozja equivalent. That should tell you all you need to know about priorities.