On Themis [6.4 SPOILER]

[Iscah]

Counting ARR, we have only had two one (edit: just realized it was only one because ARR literally opens with time travel lmao) expansions out of five that didn't contain any sort of time travel. That's not a great record on which to predicate future hopes.

Most of that time travel is shifting around a single timeline, though.

I'm saying we should not engage in leaping between multiple timelines, which is a higher order of complication than moving between shards or time travelling non-disruptively within our own timeline (although that should be kept to a minimum also).

[Kesey]

Hell, the Echo itself is pretty much mental time travel in a sense due to being able to see into people's memories and reliving past events.

It's more like a flashback then time travel. You lack the ability to change the past when the echo triggers.

[MikkoAkure]

It's more like a flashback then time travel. You lack the ability to change the past when the echo triggers.

1.0 Echo usage leaned more into actually being present in past events, Ul'dah's time travel opening being very canon and Gridania's being mentioned in passing. Limsa Lominsa even had a whole full CGI cutscene where Y'shtola uses her mysterious powers to send us back to the present before a tidal wave crashes onto the ship. The city storylines in 1.0 revolved around going back in time and interacting with people in both the past and present to solve a mystery in each one. Limsan PCs got to interact with Rosensthal before his fall when he was still Sthalmann, Gridanian PCs got to interact with the original Yda, and Ul'dahn PCs got to be a part of Minfilia's origin story and interact with young(er) F'lhaminn and her then boyfriend.

Though it still remains to be seen how much of 1.0 and the Echo powers used were canon for a WoL from back then, we know that a lot that went down in the time travel cutscenes are still canon. The Echo may not act the same as it did then for us now, but I'd like to think that they can still have it do that for future content that isn't written as confusing as 1.0 was.

[RyuDragnier]

Though it still remains to be seen how much of 1.0 and the Echo powers used were canon for a WoL from back then, we know that a lot that went down in the time travel cutscenes are still canon. The Echo may not act the same as it did then for us now, but I'd like to think that they can still have it do that for future content that isn't written as confusing as 1.0 was.

My headcanon is that the one having the Echo flashbacks from 1.0 died when Dalamud fell. Because it IS canon that there were multiple Warriors of Light in 1.0, and that our PC is the last one of them.

[Cleretic]

1.0 Echo usage leaned more into actually being present in past events, Ul'dah's time travel opening being very canon and Gridania's being mentioned in passing. Limsa Lominsa even had a whole full CGI cutscene where Y'shtola uses her mysterious powers to send us back to the present before a tidal wave crashes onto the ship. The city storylines in 1.0 revolved around going back in time and interacting with people in both the past and present to solve a mystery in each one. Limsan PCs got to interact with Rosensthal before his fall when he was still Sthalmann, Gridanian PCs got to interact with the original Yda, and Ul'dahn PCs got to be a part of Minfilia's origin story and interact with young(er) F'lhaminn and her then boyfriend.

Though it still remains to be seen how much of 1.0 and the Echo powers used were canon for a WoL from back then, we know that a lot that went down in the time travel cutscenes are still canon. The Echo may not act the same as it did then for us now, but I'd like to think that they can still have it do that for future content that isn't written as confusing as 1.0 was.

They probably stopped doing this because it was VERY confusing and frustrating, by the way. You can look up every cutscene in 1.0, and I recommend watching Gridania's story especially, because if you don't know that's what's happening it's completely incomprehensible. And honestly, even with that knowledge it's still way more trouble than it's worth.

[Kozh]

But she was never actually there to save that specific person. It's an overlap of an event that happened in the Final Days and another event that happened in the same place at a different time.

And my issue with Emet is not believing whether he did a thing, but what we are supposed to make of a small amount of contradictory information that nobody could naturally come across by playing FFXIV or reading supplementary resources for FFXIV.

Again, I know it's a very vague subjective sequence and I wasn't talking about trying something to save that particular man. What I meant is, couldn't the writers at least show venat that she did something that "fortify our defense"? Idk maybe have her ordering around her followers? Defending some people but failed? To symbolize that she did try to help? Instead what we got is straight up her not bothering with anything.


What contradictory are we talking about here? Still about the malformed creatures??

[Yuella]

Again, I know it's a very vague subjective sequence and I wasn't talking about trying something to save that particular man. What I meant is, couldn't the writers at least show venat that she did something that "fortify our defense"? Idk maybe have her ordering around her followers? Defending some people but failed? To symbolize that she did try to help? Instead what we got is straight up her not bothering with anything.


What contradictory are we talking about here? Still about the malformed creatures??

It didn't matter if she blostered their defense if the ancients couldn't handle their sufferings. Without the sundering, they were just delaying the inevitable.

[Kozh]

It didn't matter if she blostered their defense if the ancients couldn't handle their sufferings. Without the sundering, they were just delaying the inevitable.

Yea , yes, thankfully it never happened to the sundered. Nobody caused blasphemy to appear during the second Final Days amirite?

[Aneshda]

My headcanon is that the one having the Echo flashbacks from 1.0 died when Dalamud fell. Because it IS canon that there were multiple Warriors of Light in 1.0, and that our PC is the last one of them.

I think Louisoix begged the Twelve for Help but they didn's answer him. He teleported the Warriors of Light away to save them but then Hydaelyn gave him his answer. The Warriors of Light could hear her and so they prayed and while they did so Louisoix became a Primal and the Warriors of Light got sacrificed the same time. That's why everyone told us, they cannot remember the Face of the Warriors of Light and they was never seen again.

[Kesey]

I think Louisoix begged the Twelve for Help but they didn's answer him. He teleported the Warriors of Light away to save them but then Hydaelyn gave him his answer. The Warriors of Light could hear her and so they prayed and while they did so Louisoix became a Primal and the Warriors of Light got sacrificed the same time. That's why everyone told us, they cannot remember the Face of the Warriors of Light and they was never seen again.

Louisoix summoned The Twelve and they turned him into the phoenix primal. This was explained in Coils.