Did Zenos ruin Endwalker

[Zakuyia]

Hmm I guess ill play on side of Zenos fan.
Honestly saying Zenos ruin endwalker is kinda meh. Zenos final battle works perfectly. He has proven time and time again to be the you that you aren't.
Example: How many of you can beat Ex Unreal <- I'm sure many of you can
How many of you can beat day 1 savage blind <- I'm sure some of you can
But how many truly go beyond the call of duty to tackle ultimates without hate, without scorn, without ire.
I like to think Zenos can do all of that. What makes zenos so perfect is that He is you at peek perfection, your mirror. The climatic duel between you and him is ending it all once and for all. The perfect challenge, the fight that is one more, the dance with the devil as they say.
Meteion eh she ok.... But Damn Zenos is just amazing toward that fight. THIS IS MY MOMENT OUR MOMENT... considering everything you been through all the stuff you have seen and finally someone who gets you, who understands you, someone who reads you just as you read them.
Zenos is the peanut butter to your jelly sandwhich and the man earns it toward the end. I would love for him to stay dead tho please don't bring him back he earned that sleep.

[Elissar]

What ruined Zenos was mid Stormblood.
They spent more time doing memory scenes with characters that died in post stormblood and we didnt have the same about a character so crucial in the end of the story.


Zenos had a complicated childhood. His art came from Corvos. He had to kill his instructor. His father sucks, etc.



Unfortunately, he had an amazing start and acceptable ending...his mid story is lacking in depth and content.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Zenos didn't necessarily ruin Endwalker, but he certainly didn't really do the story any favors.

Personally, I think Zenos was at his best when they didn't really dive too deep in to give him too much a backstory... When his only characteristic was breeding rebellions against himself, so he'd have people to fight because that was the only thing he actually enjoyed doing.

[-Magnai-]

I don't feel like he ruined it for me. He travelled to the ends of the universe just to fight me and he earned my respect for that.

The final fight with him was fun, he kept me on my toes~! I also joke with my FC mates how that one part with the final cutscene with him was reminiscent of Street Fighter ldsakjsalkdjsakld

I do wish they'd fleshed him out more and gave him a bigger role, though.

[Tetsujin]

Nope, Zenos was absolutely based. It was about time SOME person was self deterministic and put an end to Meteion's continuous [redacted]ation.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

Zenos constantly coming back is basically a kids show in which the enemy comes back in every single show to be defeated again.

I love meteion as a character but shes literally the pigeon a magican pulls out of their hat at the end of a show going like "ha! cool isnt it!"
There was obviously hints at the final days, but we got baited into thinking Zodiark was the problem, there was nothing that pointed at a blue bird or another being.

There was no moment of "but a puzzle is missing" before Zodiark was summoned and defeated, our goal was always "dont allow Zodiark because bad", and within like 3-4h after, you are given the solution of a 10 year old problem, which was a plot twist that no one needed.

Zenos was awesome in Stormblood, not needed in Shadowbringers and annoying in Endwalkers.

The amount of "okay i guess this happend" you had to pull when Zenos shows up at Sharlyan, was not attacked by the joined forces ... was allowed to see the remaining crystals of hydealin and then had A the knowledge of where to go and B somehow was still able to tap into Shinryus form and C was able to reach the edge of the universe.

So the first Primals did hold back and deceided "yea i guess we only need X% of these crystals, lets leave the rest"?

[GaiusDrakon]

My god, did Zenos really need to be in a flashback on the topic of FRIENDS for 6.4?

He's not our friend. At all.

[IkaraGreydancer]

My god, did Zenos really need to be in a flashback on the topic of FRIENDS for 6.4?

He's not our friend. At all.

You speak for yourself and only yourself. So who is "our" exactly? Also I thought you stopped xiv for Ark. Or is that someone else?

[GrizzlyTank]

The issue with Zenos was that he took away from the more political aspect of the story, which is one of the things that have elevated FFXIV above most video games stories.

Though in the end, the most disappointing thing was lack of option to just walk away from him rather than being forced to indulge in his fetish.

[IkaraGreydancer]

The issue with Zenos was that he took away from the more political aspect of the story, which is one of the things that have elevated FFXIV above most video games stories.

Though in the end, the most disappointing thing was lack of option to just walk away from him rather than being forced to indulge in his fetish.

How exactly did he take away from the more political aspect of the story? Genuinely wondering.

Also is fighting is his "fetish" wouldn't it only be fair to say it's the WoLs "fetish" as well? Isn't that kind of the whole point?