Phys Ranged hopes

[fulminating]

I just wanted it to be more consistent, a combo would be an easy way to do it. I also realize that a good amount of Bard players like the proc system, so another suggestion I made in the replies was to have the proc rates adjust with the number of DoTs up. Valence also expanded upon it as well

Bard used to have procs more intertwined with the dot system, in shadowrbringers for example -

https://web.archive.org/web/20210514...ki/Bard#Traits

Personally I would like to see bard head back in that direction because losing the connection between the dots and procs has made endwalker bard significantly less fun to me.

[Mimilu]

For DNC, my hope is for them to add some way to give me procs more frequently or give use more procs like for Fan Dance IV and Starfall Dance. (ﾉ´ヮ´)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
When you get little-to-no procs, DNCs gameplay can be a little dull.

Having another dance to do when you don't have to refresh Standard Step could be cool. Either a big damage dance like Mincing Minuet, a debuffing dance, or maybe a dance that increases the likelihood of getting procs might work.
└（★ｏ★）┐

[primarisgoazrr]

Bard used to have procs more intertwined with the dot system, in shadowrbringers for example -

https://web.archive.org/web/20210514...ki/Bard#Traits

Personally I would like to see bard head back in that direction because losing the connection between the dots and procs has made endwalker bard significantly less fun to me.

I agree for sure, I think all ShB bard really just needed was a spreader. The EW DoTs just feel like empty dps, let’s hope they change it

[primarisgoazrr]

For DNC, my hope is for them to add some way to give me procs more frequently or give use more procs like for Fan Dance IV and Starfall Dance. (ﾉ´ヮ´)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
When you get little-to-no procs, DNCs gameplay can be a little dull.

Having another dance to do when you don't have to refresh Standard Step could be cool. Either a big damage dance like Mincing Minuet, a debuffing dance, or maybe a dance that increases the likelihood of getting procs might work.
└（★ｏ★）┐

I’m not too sure about Starfall Dance as that’s your burst tool. Maybe they could add a system that upon using a certain number of Fan Dance III(maybe 2 to 4?), you could then use Fan Dance IV.

I could definitely get behind increasing the proc rates. They could make it an additional 10% while under Standard Step and increase it to 15% while under Technical Step

[Valence]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/machinist/#pvp
"Covers target's body in a slow-burning pitch. Deals damage to target and all enemies within 5 yalms when time expires."

The effect might not be that noticeable, but unless the tooltip is lying, it's there. I don't see how adding an AoE battery ability is any better than just making Wildfire an AoE, like they've already done. As for having an "interesting and fun" AoE skillset, MCH probably isn't the best example considering all the prerequisites Flamethrower and Bioblaster have before they're a damage gain.

I stand corrected huh, that's a change from the recent patch right? The irony is that I'm a pretty active crystal player in pvp that actually mains mch, so shame on me... But it's also possible I haven't played pvp since that patch... Or i just didn't notice how inconsequential this was, although I'll still take it for sure.

*grovels*

[Valence]

I don't think I quite understand where you are going with this, Ladonsbite has a 35% chance to proc Shadowbite, the same as burst Arrow/Iron Jaws/Causticbite/Stormbite procing Refulgent Arrow. The only difference is Barrage doesn't proc Shadowbite

I just wanted it to be more consistent, a combo would be an easy way to do it. I also realize that a good amount of Bard players like the proc system, so another suggestion I made in the replies was to have the proc rates adjust with the number of DoTs up. Valence also expanded upon it as well

My main problem with barrage not proccing shadowbite is that unlike in the previous iterations of Bard where barrage didn't proc RA automatically either, you still had a substitute with Empyreal Arrow and whatnot. I liked the rng of this even though I can also feel it was frustrating when not just getting your proc (especially with so low proc rates), but the current issue with Shadowbite not being automatically proced from Barrage is that the Barrage buff gets completely wasted because there is NO AoE substitute as far as I know. It doesn't proc on Ladon/QuickNock, which means you have to actually wait to get a proc, and if you don't, then you just sit on your barrage because you can't use it. It makes it go completely go out of buffs very fast and that's just... not a great design.

I’m not too sure about Starfall Dance as that’s your burst tool. Maybe they could add a system that upon using a certain number of Fan Dance III(maybe 2 to 4?), you could then use Fan Dance IV.

I could definitely get behind increasing the proc rates. They could make it an additional 10% while under Standard Step and increase it to 15% while under Technical Step

The main problem I could see happening especially in full parties in raids under heavy raid buffs, is that currently it almost procs TOO much. Not the procs in themselves, they're fine, but you have a lot of bursts with DNC during Technical and Devilment where half your burst is just spamming Sabre Dance not to overcap the gauge. I generally don't have a problem with the proc rate under burst because most of the time I can barely spend them all already, and when I can, it just feels fine. It's extremely rare that I'm out of procs before the end of the burst...

I think they also somewhat made it more bearable with the basic combo you get that nets you a 100% rate on the second step of it, which really is already something else than just spamming 1 all the time like bard under Army's with not much else to do besides the occasional Empyrean Arrow...

I mean, just bring back ammo MCH yoshi, I beg of you. Why you gave it to RDM I have no idea, and why you removed it from MCH, I have even less a clue.

[Mimilu]

I’m not too sure about Starfall Dance as that’s your burst tool. Maybe they could add a system that upon using a certain number of Fan Dance III(maybe 2 to 4?), you could then use Fan Dance IV.

I could definitely get behind increasing the proc rates. They could make it an additional 10% while under Standard Step and increase it to 15% while under Technical Step

What about a dance that gives you a feather for doing all the steps?
It could be a two step like Standard Step, doing one step does damage while doing two does a little more damage and grants a feather. Give it a 30 second cooldown, have it go on cooldown when you use Standard Step, and make it so you can't use it outside of battle (so the party doesn't have to wait for the DNC to spam it to get all their feathers). It could even be called Feather Step, which is a type of foxtrot dance step and has been in a past Final Fantasy game. (*´∀｀*)

[Mimilu]

What about a dance that gives you a feather for doing all the steps?
It could be a two step like Standard Step, doing one step does damage while doing two does a little more damage and grants a feather. Give it a 30 second cooldown, have it go on cooldown when you use Standard Step, and make it so you can't use it outside of battle (so the party doesn't have to wait for the DNC to spam it to get all their feathers). It could even be called Feather Step, which is a type of foxtrot dance step and has been in a past Final Fantasy game. (*´∀｀*)

Also, to add to my DNC Hope list: I want Closed Position to be just a one-button press to change partners, none of this turn-off, turn back on stuff.

[primarisgoazrr]

The main problem I could see happening especially in full parties in raids under heavy raid buffs, is that currently it almost procs TOO much. Not the procs in themselves, they're fine, but you have a lot of bursts with DNC during Technical and Devilment where half your burst is just spamming Sabre Dance not to overcap the gauge. I generally don't have a problem with the proc rate under burst because most of the time I can barely spend them all already, and when I can, it just feels fine. It's extremely rare that I'm out of procs before the end of the burst...

I think they also somewhat made it more bearable with the basic combo you get that nets you a 100% rate on the second step of it, which really is already something else than just spamming 1 all the time like bard under Army's with not much else to do besides the occasional Empyrean Arrow...

I mean, just bring back ammo MCH yoshi, I beg of you. Why you gave it to RDM I have no idea, and why you removed it from MCH, I have even less a clue.

Yeah I can see your point, I’ve definitely had that happen to me a few times. It’s really strange honestly most of the kit talks about giving us more esprit, but only in your standard combo finishers it talks about feather procs. When you burst you get a bunch of feathers out of nowhere and then when you finish it’s back to no-feather dry gameplay. I think that’s what most of us want addressed.

As for old MCH I can’t really speak on that, I started in SB and when I picked up MCH they changed it like 1 month later

[primarisgoazrr]

Also, to add to my DNC Hope list: I want Closed Position to be just a one-button press to change partners, none of this turn-off, turn back on stuff.

If its main purpose is to give a feather, then I could honestly see it being a one-step dance. I think that’d be nice during downtime for sure, and changing your partner on the fly would definitely be a nice QoL