Are all the Tanks identical?

[fulminating]

If you can find that clip share, I wanna see that for the laughs.

https://twitter.com/mitsurugi137/sta...64660636639232

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

https://twitter.com/mitsurugi137/sta...64660636639232

Actual madlads, respect. Can see how they did that with the heal/shield rotation and heal buffs.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Actual madlads, respect. Can see how they did that with the heal/shield rotation and heal buffs.

well the mad lads did it, they cleared TOP with no healer, https://youtu.be/svhRFO34_F8

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

well the mad lads did it, they cleared TOP with no healer, https://youtu.be/svhRFO34_F8

Heard about it. Not sure if I feel like tanks and dps are endlessly more interestingly designed to make such a feat possible or Healers being awfully designed in both being somewhat needed and having a cohesive damage kit.

The question is rethorical, it is both. Mad grats to them.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Heard about it. Not sure if I feel like tanks and dps are endlessly more interestingly designed to make such a feat possible or Healers being awfully designed in both being somewhat needed and having a cohesive damage kit.

The question is rethorical, it is both. Mad grats to them.

yea absolutely, like they've definitely diverted away from interesting or unique gameplay to a degree, but a lot I still don't necessarily put on the shoulders of the devs, but personally I feel most of the homogenisation or loss of uniqueness is on the players for their incessant demands of 'that job has this and I like it so I want it for my job' and eventually it gets trickled down into the job design, and then players are shock pikachu face when the change happens and then say I didn't ask for this. Kind of reminds me of darker fantasies with a djinn, where you make a wish without out any care or thought and it comes out horribly wrong.

Like most of the homogenisation started with WAR as far as I am concerned, as soon as players complained that it was too difficult, and Inner Release was made a Requiescat clone, and people complained that Shake it Off was useless so made it a clone of Devine Veil clone, was when homogenisation really began.

While yes Rampart in the role actions was probably the first skill to be homogenised, again that was mostly because WAR mains complained that Foresight was dog water, and kept asking for rampart, devs took the backward approach of removing Foresight and Shadowskin and popping in rampart as a role action, but I don't think apart from a loss of an animation that is usually blurred by other animations on a heavily bloated animation job is that big of a loss personally since the effect still persists identically in Rampart.

that aside, I remember seeing you comment on it here so thought I would share to link in case you weren't aware, and again it is a fair play the group was able to get the clear

[Absurdity]

Like most of the homogenisation started with WAR as far as I am concerned, as soon as players complained that it was too difficult, and Inner Release was made a Requiescat clone, and people complained that Shake it Off was useless so made it a clone of Devine Veil clone, was when homogenisation really began.

Yes and no. The issue wasn't how hard 4.0/4.1 warrior was to play, but that even playing it perfectly barely made you do more dps than a PLD pressing Holy Spirit 5 times. The reward for executing what was arguably the most difficult tank was basically nonexistent, and fights like Neo Exdeath with it's enmity reset pretty much made it impossible to do your proper Inner Release windows.

The fact that SE then completely dumbed the job down with the 4.2 rework is not the player's fault.

And Shake was pretty much useless, not because of it's original effect but because said effect didn't work half the time.

[Sqwall]

Honestly, I believe the real reason jobs are the way that they are now...is because it's insanely hard to balance. FFXIV does something that NO other...LITERALLY no other MMO in my purview does. It attempts to make the job you play...actually matter. You want to be a dancer...that's fine. You won't be bringing your team down....it's all balanced. Want to play DRG? Go right ahead....stab away dragon dude.

People play classes based on what they like, something of which other MMO's just don't listen to when players make the comment... "But I want to play this job!" To which those developers of those games say: "Sorry, we don't want to upset the current meta for balance issues...that's hard to do"

FFXIV bucks that trend and allows players to quite literally play...w/e the hell they want without the fear of fitting into this certain meta comp window just to enjoy success. Sure some statics may be looking for a phys ranged....but honestly...pick one. Sure some classes might have a little more damage then the next....put it's not WILDY out of control...typically within 2-4% difference. Can some savage encounters literally be that close yes....and some encounters may take a couple more weeks to get better gear....but it's not something that SE should bend the knee to. We saw them do that to all of this world first hoopla as streamers howled at the moon when they couldn't down the boss with the literal razor thin minimum ilevel to drop the boss. When all they had to do was wait...1 week? I think world first is great it's fun for the game community to engage, but I don't think SE or the dev team shouldnt give anyone a spec of help, nor change a single solitary thing. 1% change on P8S is nothing once you get all your appropriate gear after multiple clears from the first subsequent savage bosses. SE just bent the knee to the streaming community and balked at the issue.

Truth is. People want meta deep down. EVERYONE wants to do the BIGGEST number possible. FFXIV says....it doesn't matter...play what you like.....it doesn't matter. Personally I like the fact that I can go from warrior this raid tier....to PLD for P9-12S. And it won't make all that much of a difference.

[Renathras]

Heard about it. Not sure if I feel like tanks and dps are endlessly more interestingly designed to make such a feat possible or Healers being awfully designed in both being somewhat needed and having a cohesive damage kit.

The question is rethorical, it is both. Mad grats to them.

You missed one: The encounter design/unvoidable party damage and rate of damage once mitigation is factored in and non-Healer healing is factored in.