The truth is we need a remastered XI or a follow up

[Ath192]

Besides, if I had to wait 15-20 minutes to travel somewhere, I'd just be talking to friends on discord or doing something else/YouTube.

If you don't want to be part of the world and be antisocial that is your choice. But MMOs are supposed to be about making connections and working together. It is no reason to deprive others of the experience of being part of the world. It's fair game to afk and leave. I for one would take in the game and the scenery.

If we keep catering to this mentality we'll arrive at point where everything is irrelevant and the game plays itself for you. Which, we are dangerously close to already.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

If you don't want to be part of the world and be antisocial that is your choice. But MMOs are supposed to be about making connections and working together. It is no reason to deprive others of the experience of being part of the world. It's fair game to afk and leave. I for one would take in the game and the scenery.

If we keep catering to this mentality we'll arrive at point where everything is irrelevant and the game plays itself for you. Which, we are dangerously close to already.

I have my group of friends already, and I like keeping it smaller. I enjoy being engrossed in my surroundings, but a long loading screen is not that.

[Boblawblah]

If we keep catering to this mentality we'll arrive at point where everything is irrelevant and the game plays itself for you. Which, we are dangerously close to already.

Sorry, are you saying that not making people wait 15 - 20 minutes for a boat ride is sliding down the slope of games playing themselves?

[Ath192]

I have my group of friends already, and I like keeping it smaller. I enjoy being engrossed in my surroundings, but a long loading screen is not that.

It wouldn't be a loading screen. But if you think that then I don't think we have the same system in mind.

Sorry, are you saying that not making people wait 15 - 20 minutes for a boat ride is sliding down the slope of games playing themselves?

No, thats not what I'm saying. Taking all the non essential stuff out of a game for the sake of just keeping the meat doesn't make for a good dinner/game. Thats kind of what I'm saying.

[Ardeth]

11 sucked. Let it die.

[Ath192]

11 sucked. Let it die.

Oh yeah, it was terrible.

"By June 2012, Final Fantasy XI became the most profitable title in the Final Fantasy series.[64]"

[Skivvy]

11 sucked. Let it die.

"I didn't like it, therefore it sucked and it shouldn't exist". Thank you for that nuanced take.

[Boblawblah]

On boats, and I can't speak for all of them, but I remember 2 - 5 minute boat, zepplin, and tram rides in WoW. First tram ride from Ironlag to Stormwind was really fun. Certainly the longer ones have a more lasting impact on the idea of distance but personally I don't think there would be anything wrong with a mix of one off longer rides and then shorter more tolerable rides then further mixed in with an evolution of transportation.

It's kind of funny, and slightly vindicating, to have some odd years later see things like GW2 top mount system in MMOs or players talking about travel. . . Funny circle (while GW2's system is awesome and I've tried it, just want to say I did make my suggestion of movement gameplay prior to GW2's so it's not like an obsession with GW2 specifically). I've honestly never really wanted people to consistently travel for long periods of time, but and perhaps not as well described as I could have back then, constantly been talking about the importance of gameplay systems as simple in appearance as travel...

I still think teleports are important, but if travel could become it's own GAMEIFIED progression.. I think that'd be pretty good, and can coexist in a casual environment (though that does mean limited number of times to be expected to do anything that takes a while, original FFXI transportation mechanics and limited teleports even at end game wouldn't work).

I do think having a longer travel option would be nice (not just chocobo porters), but yes, the option for instant travel is needed. Gamers just aren't the same as back in 2000. People aren't going to put up with a game that forces them to wait 5 - 10 minutes for something to show up and then another 15 - 20 minutes to travel. When people log in they want to play immediately. The very off chance they find a new friend while waiting those 30 minutes just isn't worth it for most players now.

Also, it's funny you mention GW2, if you watch how people use mounts, almost everyone simply uses the mounts that allow them to bypass content, whether it's the griffon or skyscale. Devs can make all the systems they want, but if players aren't using the systems, that says something.

[Blossoming]

Imagine playing an MMO and not wanting it to be social

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Imagine playing an MMO and not wanting it to be social

Imagine gatekeeping an MMO.



I am social, with my friends. I made half in my second coil static, and the rest are from my current static from eden. I spend my free time chatting with them. I'm not a social butterfly, I'd much rather be in a quiet place reading than at a party or public event.



Doesn't mean I can't enjoy mmos.