Rival Wings balancing needs a major rework.

[Elfidan]

This is RW, some jobs are extremely reliant on their lb to fill their niche, and they're significantly less menacing without it, to the point of what I said precisely because of how lb generation works.

Which jobs do you feel are less menacing? Genuinely want to know because this sounds like a generalization with no specific basis.

And because of the smaller pool of players grinding the game mode, and it being more niche, there are many good people who use their LB to great effect, and they're very centralizing.

Listen I can't claim to know how your games go but when I play RW and see people complaining it's generally them running around with no stacks thinking they can throw down with the 20 stack DRG who has been playing the objectives with his team. You can't really get mad at the DRG for playing correctly in that situation. I don't think the problem is the lb generation which only happens at 20 stacks. It's the fact that you're supposed to go read how to play on the lodestone and who does that? We also have a large influx of wow players and if you have ever played an RBG in wow you'll understand.

[Teno]

Which jobs do you feel are less menacing? Genuinely want to know because this sounds like a generalization with no specific basis.



Listen I can't claim to know how your games go but when I play RW and see people complaining it's generally them running around with no stacks thinking they can throw down with the 20 stack DRG who has been playing the objectives with his team. You can't really get mad at the DRG for playing correctly in that situation. I don't think the problem is the lb generation which only happens at 20 stacks. It's the fact that you're supposed to go read how to play on the lodestone and who does that? We also have a large influx of wow players and if you have ever played an RBG in wow you'll understand.

Play more RW games, lb generation works early on. That's why you see dragoons jumping or drk using lb within seconds of a few mid kills -which fill the bar- hence the snowball (but in the grand scheme of the game it means nothing so please don't afk if you lose mid).
That kind of early snowball usually means that some groups get 5 kills, lb, get another x kills, lb again, and are 10-15-20 stacks. And at 20 stacks lb generation is boosted by 50%. Now without lb monks suddenly lose their biggest appeal, summoners just don't apply enough pressure, dragoons are not as meta (still very much are) anymore being significantly less threatening on objectives, same for white mages, dark knights, gunbreakers and so on... LB is centralizing with how you can get it.

Also related to what I said again, the many good players have very much read what their job does lol. And it's not wow players. I'm talking about long time top 100 players, people with 100s of FL behind them, hardcore achievement hunters (and they're good). RW is filled with people who poured hundreds of hours into pvp. Of course there's more diversity right now since the treasure trove event is ongoing, which is good for the queues.

And I've never seen people complaining about an early 20 stacks dragoon. If anything, people who don't look at the map are the source of complaints.

[Elfidan]

Play more RW games, lb generation works early on.

You're confusing the job speeds with the buff generation increase. DRK is always 105s without the buff and 90s for DRG. That lines up with the center fight. If it's gobby juice your whole team is getting an adrenaline gauge off it if you win. for reference: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../hidden-gorge/

Now without lb monks suddenly lose their biggest appeal, summoners just don't apply enough pressure, dragoons are not as meta (still very much are) anymore being significantly less threatening on objectives, same for white mages, dark knights, gunbreakers and so on... LB is centralizing with how you can get it.

These are some really weird opinions that don't seem too fleshed out. To paraphrase 'People with less damage buff can't do damage against people with damage buff without limit break.' If you focus targets you don't really have to worry about that now do you?

Also related to what I said again, the many good players have very much read what their job does lol. And it's not wow players. I'm talking about long time top 100 players, people with 100s of FL behind them, hardcore achievement hunters (and they're good).

Achievement hunters, like Bill the speed hacking Oppressor pilot? sure.

[Teno]

You're confusing the job speeds with the buff generation increase. DRK is always 105s without the buff and 90s for DRG. That lines up with the center fight. If it's gobby juice your whole team is getting an adrenaline gauge off it if you win. for reference: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../hidden-gorge/


These are some really weird opinions that don't seem too fleshed out. To paraphrase 'People with less damage buff can't do damage against people with damage buff without limit break.' If you focus targets you don't really have to worry about that now do you?


Achievement hunters, like Bill the speed hacking Oppressor pilot? sure.

First point : no... your LB fills upon kills. Really, play more games. Surely you've had lb back to back on an early mid... Check out the discord if you want to learn more.

Second point : I don't understand what you're implying. Best evidence would be to play those jobs a lot and picture them without their lb.
"Just focus" is not something that happens in PUG, especially when mechs are often a priority above other specific targets (but the non meta classes are often the targets of good players anyway, since they know that these might not be the most experienced players).

Third point : oh, you're that guy. There was one speed hacking oppressor a little while ago, got mass reported and hasn't been seen since. Reminds me of someone who complained about win trading in RW lol. These instances are not common and RW players are not stupid. Of course some speed hackers do it in more subtle ways (like arriving mid a sec or two before opponents for an easy drk pull), or you've got the infamous whm's instant polymorph which is not uncommon. But it is what it is, just thoroughly reporting is what I do, and then move on.