Allow us to hide other people's glamour

[Aniya_Estlihn]

what's the harm in letting vanilla players have access to a toggle that ends up creating the same issue that you've stated?

Because we know the dev team does not make decisions based upon how people utilize cosmetic mods? They pay attention to third party tools, sure, but mods are another story. Its not a valid point as it has no basis in reality nor a leg to stand on. There is a difference between a third party tool doing so and the development team choosing to willfully invalidate and hide their own work. It's unrealistic and will not happen.

I'm sure they don't like that people mod out the appearance of gear to their liking as is, so why give an official means to do so when the likes of those third party tools are probably hated?

Edit: Also I want to point out a thread for this has existed since 2020. It's 349 pages long, use that or read through it. This has been discussed to death by now with no change, it's never going to happen for the reasons I and others have brought up time and again.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...our%29/page349

[DayHealer]

Because we know the dev team does not make decisions based upon how people utilize cosmetic mods? They pay attention to third party tools, sure, but mods are another story. Its not a valid point as it has no basis in reality nor a leg to stand on. There is a difference between a third party tool doing so and the development team choosing to willfully invalidate and hide their own work. It's unrealistic and will not happen.

Third part tools are even worst than just a glamour toggle, just saying, they are all strictly forbidden. But to the topic at hand:

We all know a toggle button will never happen, but if for some miracle it happens I dont really see a problem. This is a subscription game, devs are paid for their work, if some people prefer to ignore some content in the game they are in all their right.
More power to the people, like they say..

[NekoMataMata]

Because we know the dev team does not make decisions based upon how people utilize cosmetic mods? They pay attention to third party tools, sure, but mods are another story. Its not a valid point as it has no basis in reality nor a leg to stand on. There is a difference between a third party tool doing so and the development team choosing to willfully invalidate and hide their own work. It's unrealistic and will not happen.

I'm sure they don't like that people mod out the appearance of gear to their liking as is, so why give an official means to do so when the likes of those third party tools are probably hated?

Edit: Also I want to point out a thread for this has existed since 2020. It's 349 pages long, use that or read through it. This has been discussed to death by now with no change, it's never going to happen for the reasons I and others have brought up time and again.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...our%29/page349

So now you've shifted the goal post from it simply being in poor taste to invalidate and hide the work the dev team puts into the designing of the gears in the game to suggesting that it's unrealistic and that it won't happen.

Does this game not have a history of adding QoL features that were once restricted to mods/3rd party tools that SE has always had a "don't ask, don't tell" policy about? They might not have made decisions based specifically on the use of cosmetic mods, but there's always a first time for everything.

Also side note, I put a lot of work into my glams. It's a bit unfair that through the use of mods people can just hide them, but that's how it is, isn't it? Why not just allow everyone to have access to the same QoL in that case. I mean did you know there's 3rd party tools that let you hide entire characters as well? I suppose you'd be against that but I feel like it's fair for something like that to be added to the game as well.

Many, many players in this game are already using 3rd party tools/mods to essentially live in their own worlds or bubbles, ignoring the great population of the MMO. Why should vanilla players be denied that? Both the culture you seem to be against, and the so called disrespect towards the developers is already occurring, so why not allow everyone to have ability to do so if they want?

[ZephyrMenodora]

So now you've shifted the goal post from it simply being in poor taste to invalidate and hide the work the dev team puts into the designing of the gears in the game to suggesting that it's unrealistic and that it won't happen.

Does this game not have a history of adding QoL features that were once restricted to mods/3rd party tools that SE has always had a "don't ask, don't tell" policy about? They might not have made decisions based specifically on the use of cosmetic mods, but there's always a first time for everything.

Also side note, I put a lot of work into my glams. It's a bit unfair that through the use of mods people can just hide them, but that's how it is, isn't it? Why not just allow everyone to have access to the same QoL in that case. I mean did you know there's 3rd party tools that let you hide entire characters as well? I suppose you'd be against that but I feel like it's fair for something like that to be added to the game as well.

Many, many players in this game are already using 3rd party tools/mods to essentially live in their own worlds or bubbles, ignoring the great population of the MMO. Why would vanilla players be denied that?

When have they added QoL that contradicts one of the games core advertised features (fashion- it’s on the website). Fashion is also a feature that contributes to the glorious amount of money XIV makes so why would they bother because a few trolls can’t handle a bikini.

Sorry for Op and those like him but every mmo I’ve played had some amount of more revealing clothing options.

Anyway posting another gift so I stay strong. Too much time on this repetitive bait as is.

[NekoMataMata]

When have they added QoL that contradicts one of the games core advertised features (fashion- it’s on the website). Fashion is also a feature that contributes to the glorious amount of money XIV makes so why would they bother because a few trolls can’t handle a bikini.

Sorry for Op and those like him but every mmo I’ve played had some amount of more revealing clothing options.

I mean I could care less about why OP wants it. I just think it's fair that if players want a toggle for it, then I don't really see a reason against it. It's a personal preference and I think people that want it should have access to it.

Pretty sure you've invalidated your own point by attacking the OP though. OP might be a troll, but you're acting pretty much in the same manner as they are at this point.

thicc Titan who's rock-hard bottom bounces onto their screen and blocks their view

/petsize all small

[ZephyrMenodora]

I mean I could care less about why OP wants it. I just think it's fair that if players want a toggle for it, then I don't really see a reason against it. It's a personal preference and I think people that want it should have access to it.

Pretty sure you've invalidated your own point by attacking the OP though. OP might be a troll, but you're acting pretty much in the same manner as they are at this point.

Out of new gifts so this is all you get. Especially as you had no response to my point.

[NekoMataMata]

Out of new gifts so this is all you get. Especially as you had no response to my point.

I gave you a perfectly valid response, and all you've done is act like a child.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I gave you a perfectly valid response, and all you've done is act like a child.

I have a reason and asked you a question. You didn’t answer it and your response was as though I said nothing at all, so why bother further conversing?

[HeyMcFly]

/petsize all small

NOOOOOOO! THOU MUST WITNESS TITANS BUTTOCKS IN IT'S PUREST FORM

[Aniya_Estlihn]

So now you've shifted the goal post from it simply being in poor taste to invalidate and hide the work the dev team puts into the designing of the gears in the game to suggesting that it's unrealistic and that it won't happen.

I encourage you to look at all posts I've made in this thread:

This has been requested time and again and has been ignored by SE as there is no reason for it. The likelihood of it happening is slim to none as it invalidates the work the dev team put into the glamour system, making the items and invalidates the purchase of mogstation items. There will never be a glamour toggle. Cease.

Literally my first reply is quoted above.
I have not changed my stance nor shifted goalposts, you've added more "justifications" and I have offered rebuttals to those that still fall in line with my stance on the matter.

Also side note, I put a lot of work into my glams. It's a bit unfair that through the use of mods people can just hide them, but that's how it is, isn't it? Why not just allow everyone to have access to the same QoL in that case. I mean did you know there's 3rd party tools that let you hide entire characters as well? I suppose you'd be against that but I feel like it's fair for something like that to be added to the game as well.

You seem to have a tenuous grasp of what constitutes "quality of life" as not all mods or third party tools are quality of life, some are just cheating or outright invalidating core features of the game.

Fun fact, cosmetic mods have evolved to be character-based and toggleable in real-time. Even so, there are many third party tools that do things that I am sure the development team dislikes. Asking for them all to be implemented simply because they exist in an unofficial capacity is a ridiculous notion.

It is tantamount to—
"well some people are using zoom hacks and combat mods to show unetelegraphed AoEs, so SE should let us zoom out further and just always show us AoE markers because that's quality of life I don't have!"

This is the equivalent of the point you are attempting to make. Its not going to happen as it invalidates a core feature of the game.
Its not that hard to understand.

Both the culture you seem to be against, and the so called disrespect towards the developers is already occurring, so why not allow everyone to have ability to do so if they want?

Is it really that hard to understand that no developer or creative artist in their right mind is going to invalidate their own work? Do you think they like mods? That they like that people alter the way gear and other things look? No. So then why would they offer the option to do so officially?

I am only against it in an official capacity, mind you. What others players do with their clients and how they break ToS is their choice and decision and I do not answer for them nor do they answer for me.

Regardless, I am done. I linked the previous thread, its 349 pages of this back and forth nonsense that has been going on for multiple years.
A new thread is not going to change anything in that regard and continuing further would be a fruitless use of my time going forward.

Have a wonderful weekend