Why balance jobs to just high-end raids?

[HyonaCookie]

Wait, casual content requires effort? Since when?

I wouldn't say casual content requires a lot of effort, but if you look between jobs in a role you can see the skill floor for jobs varies more. For instance it takes less effort to do dungeons as WAR than as a DRK, the difference being for one tank you only need to press one button to succeed while the other requires you to press many at a time. The same can be said for WHM versus other healers. I just think that the skill difference between jobs when doing casual content shouldn't be so different, unlike high end content where it doesn't matter because people will find a way around it.

[ForteNightshade]

I wouldn't say casual content requires a lot of effort, but if you look between jobs in a role you can see the skill floor for jobs varies more. For instance it takes less effort to do dungeons as WAR than as a DRK, the difference being for one tank you only need to press one button to succeed while the other requires you to press many at a time. The same can be said for WHM versus other healers. I just think that the skill difference between jobs when doing casual content shouldn't be so different, unlike high end content where it doesn't matter because people will find a way around it.

... you can't possibly be serious with this? While yes, Bloodwhetting is hilariously broken in dungeons. You're actually trying to argue that Dark Knight having to press TBN, Rampart and maybe Oblation is enough of a "skill" difference to warrant focusing balance on dungeon farming? If the "skill" necessary for Warrior in an AoE pull is 1/10 then it's 2/10 for the other tanks. At which point who even cares? They're all incredibly easy and overpowered because we're ridiculously higher level than the mobs.

[Ransu]

I wouldn't say casual content requires a lot of effort, but if you look between jobs in a role you can see the skill floor for jobs varies more. For instance it takes less effort to do dungeons as WAR than as a DRK, the difference being for one tank you only need to press one button to succeed while the other requires you to press many at a time. The same can be said for WHM versus other healers. I just think that the skill difference between jobs when doing casual content shouldn't be so different, unlike high end content where it doesn't matter because people will find a way around it.

This right here is why the trust system is bad. This post made absolutely no sense lol. Literally all the tanks can sleep walk through normal content.

[fulminating]

I wouldn't say casual content requires a lot of effort, but if you look between jobs in a role you can see the skill floor for jobs varies more. For instance it takes less effort to do dungeons as WAR than as a DRK, the difference being for one tank you only need to press one button to succeed while the other requires you to press many at a time. The same can be said for WHM versus other healers. I just think that the skill difference between jobs when doing casual content shouldn't be so different, unlike high end content where it doesn't matter because people will find a way around it.

Scholar is the easiest healer, white mage is just annoying. AST is probably the hardest one but that’s because it requires the ability to split concentration between cards, healing and targeting the correct teammate/enemy with heals/aoe. They aren’t really hard in absolute terms though unless your teammates are collecting damage deliberately. All tanks play exactly the same in dungeons: you go in, gather mobs, mitigate, take a bit of damage and watch the healer panic and completely waste your self-healing ability.

To answer the title of the thread, because below extremes the difficulty is entirely theoretical. When was the last time you wiped on a dungeon or even normal trial?

[HyonaCookie]

If the "skill" necessary for Warrior in an AoE pull is 1/10 then it's 2/10 for the other tanks. At which point who even cares? They're all incredibly easy and overpowered because we're ridiculously higher level than the mobs.

I don't agree with this assessment. If it was true, then why do people when asked for advice on playing DRK in dungeons say "just play WAR" instead? Why do people act like it's impossible to tank in dungeons as a DRK without having the healer/dps carry you?

Scholar is the easiest healer, white mage is just annoying.

Maybe if you're used to playing SCH, but not everyone plays 100% without skill issue like you.

[Saraide]

I don't agree with this assessment. If it was true, then why do people when asked for advice on playing DRK in dungeons say "just play WAR" instead? Why do people act like it's impossible to tank in dungeons as a DRK without having the healer/dps carry you?

If you're only listening to dumb people you're going to hear incorrect statements.

[Mosha]

I don't agree with this assessment. If it was true, then why do people when asked for advice on playing DRK in dungeons say "just play WAR" instead? Why do people act like it's impossible to tank in dungeons as a DRK without having the healer/dps carry you?

That feels like a very memey answer from a warrior main like myself, DRK is fine though it isn't as easy as WAR but you can do stupid amounts of damage with DRK. In reality, all tanks are easy in dungeons if you just push your dam buttons. The only issue with DRK is getting a bad healer lmao.

[Saraide]

That feels like a very memey answer from a warrior main like myself, DRK is fine though it isn't as easy as WAR but you can do stupid amounts of damage with DRK. In reality, all tanks are easy in dungeons if you just push your dam buttons. The only issue with DRK is getting a bad healer lmao.

If a healer struggles with healing a drk that is pushing even just some of their buttons they need their pulse checked. Trust healers can keep you alive and being better than them is an insanely low bar to clear.

[Mosha]

If a healer struggles with healing a drk that is pushing even just some of their buttons they need their pulse checked. Trust healers can keep you alive and being better than them is an insanely low bar to clear.

oh I've run into a few specimens in my time, remember there are people who freecure fish at 90.................

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

oh I've run into a few specimens in my time, remember there are people who freecure fish at 90.................

Oh dear, the nightmare...

But ironically, even these freecure fishers sometimes had just enough amount of healing power to get my sorry a$$ playing as a DRK in some of the more rough dungeon pulls! Well timed Abyssal Drain and liberal use of TBN on top of regular cooldown rotating like any other tanks do still allowed me to live through... somehow, despite it being my weakest performed role.

Just shows how low the bar is to get a pass.