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    Why balance jobs to just high-end raids?

    I don’t see the point in balancing jobs to high end raids. Even if you balance jobs so they’re all playable in high end content, raiders will still meta chase and use mods and tools to make their experience easier. Meanwhile, because jobs aren’t balanced to casual content, some jobs take more effort than others to clear content because of the huge discrepancy in how much skill is needed to play a job, which doesn’t exist in 8-man content because that’s where jobs are balanced. In 4-person content such as dungeons, the effort discrepancy between the job that requires the least effort to play and the job that requires the most effort to play is big to the point where it’s not worth playing certain jobs in 4-man content. But in 8-man hard content, even the job that requires the most amount of effort is not that different compared to the job that requires little effort.
    I don’t get why casual players need to put more effort in playing the job they like in content they want to play while high end players get to put the same amount of effort into each job to do the same thing. I think jobs should be more balanced towards casual content because so the amount of skill and effort required to clear is not so wide between jobs while it doesn’t matter if the skill gap is wide for high end content because raiders often just end up gravitating towards the easier job anyways.
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    Because to a (shrinking) part of the playerbase, the job that requires the most "effort" is often times the most fun.
    Don't worry though, the game is quickly homogenizing the jobs so that they all require just one braincell to execute.

    Just have patience little bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grann-Goro View Post
    Here I present you the new healer tutorial in FFXIV :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlc-QtQxGys&list=PLvHbKTvfkkvI6D__Pg84M_18NhpPR3ojs

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    Because every combat content below savage is trivial where you dont need to perform to the best of your ability to clear.
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    Because that's the only place where balance matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payotz View Post
    Don't worry though, the game is quickly homogenizing the jobs so that they all require just one braincell to execute.
    That might be the case for high-end content, but for every time they balance jobs to high end content the effort gap for casual content becomes wider and wider. Jobs that are easy for high end content end up becoming stronger in casual content, while jobs that are considered already strong in high end content becomes worse in casual content. Homogenization currently only helps high end players have an easier time with the job they want to play, not casual players.
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    Job balance in normal content is completely irrelevant since it's designed to be face rolled anyway. No mildly skilled group will ever have to put in any sort of real effort in normal content, it's all just auto pilot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    I admit, I always shake my head at the high end players complaining about the game being dumbed down, and then sure enough, most of them take the easiest possible route to clear the hardest content. It goes to show you that most people don't really want a challenge, they just want the reward.

    Reminds me of Elder Scrolls Online. ESO is having an argument lately where the hardcore players are frustrated because a 'easy' build is now able to do around 80% of the dps of the 'hard' build, and sure enough, most of the hardcore players are choosing to use the 'easy' build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyonaCookie View Post
    Homogenization currently only helps high end players have an easier time with the job they want to play, not casual players.
    And that in turn results in the job being easier to play.
    If you're having doubts about the direction job design is going, take a look at SMN and MCH.
    Those are the latest examples of "complete reworks" they've done recently.

    You're going to be fine. You are the game's target audience. Yoshi-P will always deliver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grann-Goro View Post
    Here I present you the new healer tutorial in FFXIV :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlc-QtQxGys&list=PLvHbKTvfkkvI6D__Pg84M_18NhpPR3ojs

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    Why wouldn't they balance the jobs around end game gameplay, when you can just roll your head on the keyboard and it works anyway in casual content ?

    Also no, raiders don't chase meta or external tools of whatever. Keep your lens off the world first racers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payotz View Post
    You're going to be fine. You are the game's target audience. Yoshi-P will always deliver.
    I know It's wonderful.
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