Play other games :)

[ZephyrMenodora]

As has been pointed out many times already, a lot of players with concerns about FFXIV are playing other games and aren't looking to be entertained by one specific game 24/7.

They're simply recognising that less and less content is being designed with staying power in mind and that even after taking breaks they're returning to see that elements of the game they enjoy are being taken away for the sake of those who do little but idle in cities and player houses whilst heavily altering the game and their character to be utterly unrecognisable as 'FFXIV.'

I'm only speaking about how I feel about my time in FFXIV. Those concerns are not mine. I'm not saying they aren't unfair concerns, but it's just not how I feel about the game.

[Absimiliard]

Do you guys pay these Limsa AFKers to use them as boogeymen, or do they just let you do it for free?

I mean, if we're honest, they aren't even AFK. They're just ERPing in tells. Takes up so much of their concentration that they don't even notice.

[Theodric]

Do you guys pay these Limsa AFKers to use them as boogeymen, or do they just let you do it for free?

I don't think anyone can look at the FFXIV tag on Twitter and then state in good faith that there's not a whole lot of people who exclusively use the game for modding and erotic roleplay, to the point of not only being brazen enough to actively advertise it in search info and party finder but also coming at the cost of content and glamour aimed at people who want to do more than just attend 'venues'.

Then there's the unfortunate track record of actual role-players being driven away from the game because they don't want to partake in 'nightclubs' or cyber.

Noticing trends and shifting demographics is hardly equal to creating a 'boogeyman.'

[EliaStormblade]

I don't think anyone can look at the FFXIV tag on Twitter and then state in good faith that there's not a whole lot of people who exclusively use the game for modding and erotic roleplay, to the point of not only being brazen enough to actively advertise it in search info and party finder but also coming at the cost of content and glamour aimed at people who want to do more than just attend 'venues'.

Then there's the unfortunate track record of actual role-players being driven away from the game because they don't want to partake in 'nightclubs' or cyber.

Noticing trends and shifting demographics is hardly equal to creating a 'boogeyman.'

No, it exactly looks like you're grabbing the most inconsequential demographic within XIV (that has existed for ages, mind you. Or who else did you think bought all the cute modern shop outfits for years?) that is doing their own thing and fashioning it into a convenient straw-enemy to blame for all your woes in the game. It's kind of weirdly obsessive and control-freaky.

[aveyond-dreams]

As has been pointed out many times already, a lot of players with concerns about FFXIV are playing other games and aren't looking to be entertained by one specific game 24/7.

They're simply recognising that less and less content is being designed with staying power in mind and that even after taking breaks they're returning to see that elements of the game they enjoy are being taken away for the sake of those who do little but idle in cities and player houses whilst heavily altering the game and their character to be utterly unrecognisable as 'FFXIV.'

They just do not get it no matter how much more blatantly obvious the situation becomes.

But so be it. Not like they even lose out on having more choice of content to do in game, but whatever. I guess defending the game from those of us who don't want it to be in such a state takes priority over all else.

The only content in the future that I have any remote interest in is as follows:
- Playing through the end of Pandaemonium

That's it. I have nothing else to look forward to until next expansion because I find the idea of a zone where all you do is click things to be abysmally bad content along with the tome relics. The MSQ writing exhausted my patience and I refuse to subject myself to what Myths of the Realm has become. 0 concessions on both the writing and content front for an entire expansion, simply amazing. It all feels soulless whereas all the efforts seem to have been dedicated to FFXVI in its stead.

I gladly cede FFXIV to them if it refuses to offer anything more than a chatroom experience in favor of FFXVI, Dreadwolf, Baldur's Gate 3, and FFVII Remake part 2. Not to mention FFXI where Summoner can actually call upon its full pantheon and Blue Mage isn't reduced to a pathetic minigame. 90 levels to be able to summon full sized basic elemental primals is ludicrous at best and an insult to Summoners of the franchise at worst. I imagine we'll then be forced to wait until level 100 to summon Shiva/Ramuh/Leviathan if even that, which after a decade of waiting is too little too late.

[Theodric]

No, it exactly looks like you're grabbing the most inconsequential demographic within XIV (that has existed for ages, mind you. Or who else did you think bought all the cute modern shop outfits for years?) that is doing their own thing and fashioning it into a convenient straw-enemy to blame for all your woes in the game. It's kind of weirdly obsessive and control-freaky.

I'd be inclined to suspect that I've hit a nerve by calling out such individuals, given how weirdly defensive you have become across multiple threads and your trend of latching on to that one specific part of posts commenting on various issues of the game. At no point did I claim that such individuals are exclusively to blame for the game's currently perceived predicament, though it can't really be denied in good faith at this point that they're an increasingly vocal portion of the game's player base.

Quite a few of us have been asking for more character customisation for male characters for years - including masculine hairstyles, cash shop outfits and eyebrows for highlander men. So far, the game has doubled down on catering largely to the Twitter crowd and their often niche but vocal tastes.

Then, in turn, some of us express concern and face these rather bizarre accusations because we want a proper bone thrown our way from time to time.

In other words, I would kindly ask that you cease re-framing discussion points in bad faith.

[Aword3213]

Do you guys pay these Limsa AFKers to use them as boogeymen, or do they just let you do it for free?

[Stormpeaks]

No, it exactly looks like you're grabbing the most inconsequential demographic within XIV (that has existed for ages, mind you. Or who else did you think bought all the cute modern shop outfits for years?) that is doing their own thing and fashioning it into a convenient straw-enemy to blame for all your woes in the game. It's kind of weirdly obsessive and control-freaky.

You seem to really love the use of "stalking" and "obsessive", you also called me on "stalking" behavior because I post in the forums, all that because I dislike some parts of the game, while I like others.

Looks like you could use a dictionary to know what the words you use actually mean instead of throwing them all over the place.

Obsessively stalking the forums of a game you harbor only negative feelings for with nigh-religious fervor out of sheer disgruntlement sure sounds like the makings of a sound mind.

Anything else?

Found the post for reference

[ZephyrMenodora]

No, it exactly looks like you're grabbing the most inconsequential demographic within XIV (that has existed for ages, mind you. Or who else did you think bought all the cute modern shop outfits for years?) that is doing their own thing and fashioning it into a convenient straw-enemy to blame for all your woes in the game. It's kind of weirdly obsessive and control-freaky.

I agree. I'm honestly not sure why anyone cares how other spend their free time in the game, so long as they aren't being disruptive to others in-game. You don't need to follow their social media on Twitter to be offended by their mods or activities.

I don't ERP or even RP in this game, but I don't care if this is how people enjoy their free time. It's theirs to spend as they like.

[EliaStormblade]

You seem to really love the use of "stalking" and "obsessive", you also called me on "stalking" behavior because I post in the forums, all that because I dislike some parts of the game, while I like others.

Looks like you could use a dictionary to know what the words you use actually mean instead of throwing them all over the place.



Found the post for reference

Stalking the forums, not individual people. Some words have multiple definitions, you know? Maybe if you did more than sit in your digital house all day while making seethe posts on the forum, you'd know that.

I'd be inclined to suspect that I've hit a nerve by calling out such individuals, given how weirdly defensive you have become across multiple threads and your trend of latching on to that one specific part of posts commenting on various issues of the game. At no point did I claim that such individuals are exclusively to blame for the game's currently perceived predicament, though it can't really be denied in good faith at this point that they're an increasingly vocal portion of the game's player base.

Quite a few of us have been asking for more character customisation for male characters for years - including masculine hairstyles, cash shop outfits and eyebrows for highlander men. So far, the game has doubled down on catering largely to the Twitter crowd and their often niche but vocal tastes.

Then, in turn, some of us express concern and face these rather bizarre accusations because we want a proper bone thrown our way from time to time.

In other words, I would kindly ask that you cease re-framing discussion points in bad faith.

I don't need to have a personal stake in something to make light of the intellectual laziness inherent in grabbing a group that generally minds its own business and probably doesn't post on these forums and pinning the blame on them. I know you think nobody will bat for that group, and rightfully so- because those players interact very little with people who fall outside of their cliques and therefore do not build up any kind of rapport with different arms of the community. That also makes them low-hanging fruit.

But I'm sure you're a 100% convinced that the very same group you malign for chronically ignoring and avoiding all content is also the group responsible for there allegedly being less content. Because a group that doesn't engage with the existing content (voluntarily or not) is most definitely going to be concerned with culling that which they're already ignoring as is.

And I would request that you start discussing in good faith, as well as refrain from being two-faced, making bold, generalizing statements when on the offensive and then turning around and appealing to some sort of sense of forum honor and etiquette when you're called out on your poor conduct while playing at being meek.

Try again.