Play other games :)

[Theodric]

Do you guys pay these Limsa AFKers to use them as boogeymen, or do they just let you do it for free?

I don't think anyone can look at the FFXIV tag on Twitter and then state in good faith that there's not a whole lot of people who exclusively use the game for modding and erotic roleplay, to the point of not only being brazen enough to actively advertise it in search info and party finder but also coming at the cost of content and glamour aimed at people who want to do more than just attend 'venues'.

Then there's the unfortunate track record of actual role-players being driven away from the game because they don't want to partake in 'nightclubs' or cyber.

Noticing trends and shifting demographics is hardly equal to creating a 'boogeyman.'

[EliaStormblade]

I don't think anyone can look at the FFXIV tag on Twitter and then state in good faith that there's not a whole lot of people who exclusively use the game for modding and erotic roleplay, to the point of not only being brazen enough to actively advertise it in search info and party finder but also coming at the cost of content and glamour aimed at people who want to do more than just attend 'venues'.

Then there's the unfortunate track record of actual role-players being driven away from the game because they don't want to partake in 'nightclubs' or cyber.

Noticing trends and shifting demographics is hardly equal to creating a 'boogeyman.'

No, it exactly looks like you're grabbing the most inconsequential demographic within XIV (that has existed for ages, mind you. Or who else did you think bought all the cute modern shop outfits for years?) that is doing their own thing and fashioning it into a convenient straw-enemy to blame for all your woes in the game. It's kind of weirdly obsessive and control-freaky.

[Theodric]

No, it exactly looks like you're grabbing the most inconsequential demographic within XIV (that has existed for ages, mind you. Or who else did you think bought all the cute modern shop outfits for years?) that is doing their own thing and fashioning it into a convenient straw-enemy to blame for all your woes in the game. It's kind of weirdly obsessive and control-freaky.

I'd be inclined to suspect that I've hit a nerve by calling out such individuals, given how weirdly defensive you have become across multiple threads and your trend of latching on to that one specific part of posts commenting on various issues of the game. At no point did I claim that such individuals are exclusively to blame for the game's currently perceived predicament, though it can't really be denied in good faith at this point that they're an increasingly vocal portion of the game's player base.

Quite a few of us have been asking for more character customisation for male characters for years - including masculine hairstyles, cash shop outfits and eyebrows for highlander men. So far, the game has doubled down on catering largely to the Twitter crowd and their often niche but vocal tastes.

Then, in turn, some of us express concern and face these rather bizarre accusations because we want a proper bone thrown our way from time to time.

In other words, I would kindly ask that you cease re-framing discussion points in bad faith.

[EliaStormblade]

You seem to really love the use of "stalking" and "obsessive", you also called me on "stalking" behavior because I post in the forums, all that because I dislike some parts of the game, while I like others.

Looks like you could use a dictionary to know what the words you use actually mean instead of throwing them all over the place.



Found the post for reference

Stalking the forums, not individual people. Some words have multiple definitions, you know? Maybe if you did more than sit in your digital house all day while making seethe posts on the forum, you'd know that.

I'd be inclined to suspect that I've hit a nerve by calling out such individuals, given how weirdly defensive you have become across multiple threads and your trend of latching on to that one specific part of posts commenting on various issues of the game. At no point did I claim that such individuals are exclusively to blame for the game's currently perceived predicament, though it can't really be denied in good faith at this point that they're an increasingly vocal portion of the game's player base.

Quite a few of us have been asking for more character customisation for male characters for years - including masculine hairstyles, cash shop outfits and eyebrows for highlander men. So far, the game has doubled down on catering largely to the Twitter crowd and their often niche but vocal tastes.

Then, in turn, some of us express concern and face these rather bizarre accusations because we want a proper bone thrown our way from time to time.

In other words, I would kindly ask that you cease re-framing discussion points in bad faith.

I don't need to have a personal stake in something to make light of the intellectual laziness inherent in grabbing a group that generally minds its own business and probably doesn't post on these forums and pinning the blame on them. I know you think nobody will bat for that group, and rightfully so- because those players interact very little with people who fall outside of their cliques and therefore do not build up any kind of rapport with different arms of the community. That also makes them low-hanging fruit.

But I'm sure you're a 100% convinced that the very same group you malign for chronically ignoring and avoiding all content is also the group responsible for there allegedly being less content. Because a group that doesn't engage with the existing content (voluntarily or not) is most definitely going to be concerned with culling that which they're already ignoring as is.

And I would request that you start discussing in good faith, as well as refrain from being two-faced, making bold, generalizing statements when on the offensive and then turning around and appealing to some sort of sense of forum honor and etiquette when you're called out on your poor conduct while playing at being meek.

Try again.

[Stormpeaks]

Stalking the forums, not individual people. Some words have multiple definitions, you know? Maybe if you did more than sit in your digital house all day while making seethe posts on the forum, you'd know that.


I don't need to have a personal stake in something to make light of the intellectual laziness inherent in grabbing a group that generally minds its own business and probably doesn't post on these forums and pinning the blame on them. I know you think nobody will bat for that group, and rightfully so- because those players interact very little with people who fall outside of their cliques and therefore do not build up any kind of rapport with different arms of the community. That also makes them low-hanging fruit.

But I'm sure you're a 100% convinced that the very same group you malign for chronically ignoring and avoiding all content is also the group responsible for there allegedly being less content. Because a group that doesn't engage with the existing content (voluntarily or not) is most definitely going to be concerned with culling that which they're already ignoring as is.

And I would request that you start discussing in good faith, as well as refrain from being two-faced, making bold, generalizing statements when on the offensive and then turning around and appealing to some sort of sense of forum honor and etiquette when you're called out on your poor conduct while playing at being meek.

Try again.

And that is exactly what I meant ; ) There is no "stalking the forums", that is not a thing, also I am chilling playing the game the way I want it, doing housing and spending time with my friends, and I am reading and responding on the forums, but apparently that makes you upset lmao

Looks like someone's being a little "obsessed"

[Ath192]

I also just see a lot of potential there that I want to believe CBU3 is smart enough to take advantage of. For me, it's not a situation of "this expansion has foundational flaws that cannot be mended," but more a "it needs to be iterated on to hammer it into shape."

Makes sense, and on this last statement we can definitely agree.

[EliaStormblade]

Makes sense, and on this last statement we can definitely agree.

There is one major exception, of course, and that's with a lack of Bozja-esque content.

All other things they could improve, but there's no way I can conceive of where they can do that this expansion, so in that sense, everyone who digs that seems kind of SoL until at least like 7.2-7.3. I've made some few remarks that maybe they could get rid of Variants and instead make the locations some sort of mini-exploratory zone with FATEs while keeping Criterion its own thing (albeit adjusted to be more like it was intended to be) but I don't know how viable that is. Alternatively, they can add mild battle content to the Island Sanctuaries, where you have to fight and subdue minibosses you find on there for rewards. Again, I don't think anything will come close to a fully-fledged exploratory zone.

[Kickwars]

I'd be inclined to suspect that I've hit a nerve by calling out such individuals

They are no longer in control of the narrative for the first time in this game's history! They're panicking as all sources of data, streamers, in-game activity indicate that the silent MAJORITY disagrees with their assessment of the state of the game. They can't stand to be in the MINORITY, because that's what they have always accused the "naysayers" for being in.

It's funny that the rabid fanbase of FF14 has finally hit a truth that they can't just cover up by swarming the rest of social media anymore. The same rabid fanbase that has for years lied or bragged about this game's positivity and superiority has nowhere to bite now that the rest of the MMO community has mentally "quarantined" FF14 by simply not interacting with this group anymore. But of course there's fresh meat as long-time, sane FF14 players are speaking out finally.

[R041]

They are no longer in control of the narrative for the first time in this game's history! They're panicking as all sources of data, streamers, in-game activity indicate that the silent MAJORITY disagrees with their assessment of the state of the game. They can't stand to be in the MINORITY, because that's what they have always accused the "naysayers" for being in.

It's funny that the rabid fanbase of FF14 has finally hit a truth that they can't just cover up by swarming the rest of social media anymore. The same rabid fanbase that has for years lied or bragged about this game's positivity and superiority has nowhere to bite now that the rest of the MMO community has mentally "quarantined" FF14 by simply not interacting with this group anymore. But of course there's fresh meat as long-time, sane FF14 players are speaking out finally.

I think they're legitimately afraid that if we don't hit above Endwalker release numbers (which we won't), people will start to see that it's not actually a popular game and move on. That and there's almost nothing exciting about ending the MSQ arc the way it did.

I'm comfortable with XIV not being popular, always have been. I just want it to stop sucking.

[Stormpeaks]

No, it exactly looks like you're grabbing the most inconsequential demographic within XIV (that has existed for ages, mind you. Or who else did you think bought all the cute modern shop outfits for years?) that is doing their own thing and fashioning it into a convenient straw-enemy to blame for all your woes in the game. It's kind of weirdly obsessive and control-freaky.

You seem to really love the use of "stalking" and "obsessive", you also called me on "stalking" behavior because I post in the forums, all that because I dislike some parts of the game, while I like others.

Looks like you could use a dictionary to know what the words you use actually mean instead of throwing them all over the place.

Obsessively stalking the forums of a game you harbor only negative feelings for with nigh-religious fervor out of sheer disgruntlement sure sounds like the makings of a sound mind.

Anything else?

Found the post for reference