Zepla about FFXIV Relic and Square Enix not taking any Risks

[Themarvin]

It's kinda funny watching the community basically turn on the only content creators they have left. Right now Twitch is just a bunch of night club DJs with 10-30 viewers, random players doing MSQ for views, and sometimes Xeno.

"Yeah, I never liked them anyway" - Too bad they the only hype generators you got..

Remember when everyone was excited we started getting content creators from WoW and other MMOs hyping us up, then they all just.. Disappeared?

Now you turn on the ones that have been here for years. Pretty messed up.

It is not content to watch streams, it is content if people actually play the game, I don't get the content creator thing you are talking about, this is an MMORPG, sure guides and whatever can be called for usefull content, but it is not content creation at all... several people make guides and or show the mechanics out there.

Why would be watch actual content and not play it? The target group could never be FFXIV players for that if you want to create awareness then it must be people out there that ha snever heard of the game or might want to give it a try, because they have seen some gameplay.

I could not in the wildest dreams simp over some Streamer IF I GOT the game and IF I am actually playing it as well, as to patch notes and the likes, the official sources is best.

And nope this is not the community turning onto the so called 'big' streamers out there, this is the streamers turning on the community with pretty much only showing stuff we already are experiencing in live actually playing the game, to create content for FFXIV with streaming, you actually need to be creative and eg. not just be a parrot telling what the patchnotes is about and showing datamined content, where you use third party tools to have pulled out this or that new minion or mount, before anyone could even get one.

[Frodnoxx]

With how little behavior and tone is moderated here, I wouldn't come here as a dev either. They really need to hire full time community mods like ESO.

Moderation is definitely a problem. But it is a separate problem. The devs should be receiving and processing feedback whether or not the forum behavior is poor. Imagine if the answer to "why aren't you listening to feedback?" was "because it hurts my feelings". That's an exaggeration but you get the idea.

[Deo14]

It is not content to watch streams, it is content if people actually play the game, I don't get the content creator thing you are talking about, this is an MMORPG, sure guides and whatever can be called for usefull content, but it is not content creation at all... several people make guides and or show the mechanics out there.

Why would be watch actual content and not play it? The target group could never be FFXIV players for that if you want to create awareness then it must be people out there that ha snever heard of the game or might want to give it a try, because they have seen some gameplay.

I could not in the wildest dreams simp over some Streamer IF I GOT the game and IF I am actually playing it as well, as to patch notes and the likes, the official sources is best.

And nope this is not the community turning onto the so called 'big' streamers out there, this is the streamers turning on the community with pretty much only showing stuff we already are experiencing in live actually playing the game, to create content for FFXIV with streaming, you actually need to be creative and eg. not just be a parrot telling what the patchnotes is about and showing datamined content, where you use third party tools to have pulled out this or that new minion or mount, before anyone could even get one.

This rant feels like grandpa who cannot believe and accept that playing video games professionally is a thing.

[Kaurhz]

We love a RARE moment of self awareness on the forums

Who knows,

If you're lucky maybe you'll witness such an event once more...

But I will take this as a compliment, for better or worse.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Moderation is definitely a problem. But it is a separate problem. The devs should be receiving and processing feedback whether or not the forum behavior is poor. Imagine if the answer to "why aren't you listening to feedback?" was "because it hurts my feelings". That's an exaggeration but you get the idea.

Well honestly a lot of game studios protect their devs from a raging playerbase, and most of them do not engage with a lot of the types of posts we see here for a good reason. These are working professionals and a lot of gamers on the internet can get unnecessarily nasty and dealing with that isn't part of the job description. Some discussed actually developing mental health issues exposing themselves to constant over-the-top negativity gamers can throw at them.

You had commented that you haven't seen any posts here, and I think it's the poor quality of these forums and lack of moderation that is why. I have seen devs interact on very well moderated forums, at least for a time. But without that here they have no real incentive to come here - and if they do definitely no incentive to post and open themselves up to the behavior tolerated here.

[Frodnoxx]

Well honestly a lot of game studios protect their devs from a raging playerbase, and most of them do not engage with a lot of the types of posts we see here for a good reason. These are working professionals and a lot of gamers on the internet can get unnecessarily nasty and dealing with that isn't part of the job description. Some discussed actually developing mental health issues exposing themselves to constant over-the-top negativity gamers can throw at them.

You had commented that you haven't seen any posts here, and I think it's the poor quality of these forums and lack of moderation that is why. I have seen devs interact on very well moderated forums, at least for a time. But without that here they have no real incentive to come here - and if they do definitely no incentive to post and open themselves up to the behavior tolerated here.

Certainly the devs should focus on actually coding and building the game. There should be a pipeline of people that gets the information from here to the developer's work. A pipeline like: community reps that specialize in interacting with people on the internet collects information and passes it to project leaders and designers who process and then adjust what they get developers to work on. That first step - the people who are trained for interacting with people and for whom internet tolerance is a qualification - has been lacking here and is blocking the rest of the pipeline. For these guys, the playerbase being unruly is not an excuse to neglect their role.

I should be clear that NO ONE, least of all someone just doing their 9-5 job deserves any harassment or toxicity. Unfortunately the internet is what it is and it would irresponsible of a business to sacrifice collecting feedback just so they don't have to engage in a difficult part of the job. The mental health of workers comes first and this issue is of much higher priority than any in game complaint that anyone can come up with. If indeed feedback isn't going through because of this environment then they should be putting resources into fixing that as a first step in fixing the feedback-development cycle of the game. As it stands, we have no dev responses, no community rep interactions, AND no moderation.

[R041]

It is not content to watch streams, it is content if people actually play the game, I don't get the content creator thing you are talking about, this is an MMORPG, sure guides and whatever can be called for usefull content, but it is not content creation at all... several people make guides and or show the mechanics out there.

Why would be watch actual content and not play it? The target group could never be FFXIV players for that if you want to create awareness then it must be people out there that ha snever heard of the game or might want to give it a try, because they have seen some gameplay.

Do you legitimately not comprehend that content creators are the ones that more often than not, push community driven events? It's not always about WATCHING, it's about being involved in the day to day activities. They're a huge part of how MMOs are engaging socially.

Like it or not, content creators bring in players and help drive the social space for an MMO at times. So thinking that they shouldnt exist is kinda shooting yourself in the foot for the popularity of the community. Obviously they're not the sole driving aspect of it (unless you happen to be Asmongold) but its an outlet that help keeps the game thriving.

Idk if that was actually at me, or a follow up. lol

But yes. 1000%

[Atelier-Bagur]

Do you legitimately not comprehend that content creators are the ones that more often than not, push community driven events? It's not always about WATCHING, it's about being involved in the day to day activities. They're a huge part of how MMOs are engaging socially.

Like it or not, content creators bring in players and help drive the social space for an MMO at times. So thinking that they shouldnt exist is kinda shooting yourself in the foot for the popularity of the community. Obviously they're not the sole driving aspect of it (unless you happen to be Asmongold) but its an outlet that help keeps the game thriving.

[Niroken]

Like it or not, content creators bring in players and help drive the social space for an MMO at times.

Sadly the most social this game is that I've seen is RP spamming.

[Renathras]

I like Zepla but I don't know why people keep posting this link like it's some gospel. I have my own relationship to FFXIV and gaming in general, and Zepla's personal opinion for herself has no bearing on that.

This, ladies and gents, is what a well adjusted adult opinion looks like.

EDIT:

MrHappy said this??? That's incredibly surprising to me, I think that's actually the most scathing (as much as he can be that is) thing I've ever seen him say about the game.

Nah, not really, though it might be the most scathing at the time.

Someone once asked him if we could go back to pre-SB and he said no, and I quote "Gordias almost killed the game a SECOND time."