Relic News - 6.45

[Ath192]

Please point to me when I have last told someone to take a break in response to them posting critisicm of the game.

You would have to tell me where I said you did. Because as far as the comment above all I accused you of was derailing the topic and not admitting that telling others to quit is in poor taste, instead of getting high on morality and calling out others when the context of the response is obvious. That’s why other people here accused of the point going right over your head.

[Saraide]

You would have to tell me where I said you did. Because as far as the comment above all I accused you of was derailing the topic and not admitting that telling others to quit is in poor taste, instead of getting high on morality and calling out others when the context of the response is obvious. That’s why other people here accused of the point going right over your head.

You said I should admit that telling people to quit when they want change is in poor taste. That's only something for me to admit if I do it or defend it. If you think this is derailing then why are you all hopping onto it like white knights defending the poster I called out.

[Ath192]

You said I should admit that telling people to quit when they want change is in poor taste. That's only something for me to admit if I do it or defend it.

Since when? I don't show up drunk to company meetings nor defend it, and I still admit it's in poor taste. It's called deduction skills.

[Vahlnir]

We really shouldn't have players telling each other to quit or unsub if they don't like something that has gone wrong with the game - especially when what people are asking for is entirely reasonable. A decent relic grind. Like we've had in the past.

This "I got mine" attitude some people have doesn't really have a place in good faith discussions when dealing with other players who are unhappy for valid reasons.

To be completely fair, suggesting to another player that they should unsub if they are unhappy isn't a bad suggestion, especially if the unhappy person in question doesn't find any real joy in the game anymore. However, this suggestion isn't usually meant as a well-intentioned piece of advice around here, or on any game's forum for that matter. I've seen this anywhere and everywhere, and it is almost always used to dismiss feedback rather than advise. It's nothing new, but it can be frustrating sometimes.

[Ath192]

To be completely fair, suggesting to another player that they should unsub if they are unhappy isn't a bad suggestion, especially if the unhappy person in question doesn't find any real joy in the game anymore. However, this suggestion isn't usually meant as a well-intentioned piece of advice around here, or on any game's forum for that matter. I've seen this anywhere and everywhere, and almost always to dismiss feedback rather than advise. It's nothing new, but it can be frustrating sometimes.

No I have to disagree. It's a terrible suggestion because it is stating the obvious and an insult to the person raising the complaint in question. Of course they can quit, if they wanted to they would've already done so. The obvious root issue is they don't want to, and they are making it known what can be improved on. Not to mention the second part of what you said is true as well.

[Xirean]

No I have to disagree. It's a terrible suggestion because it is stating the obvious and an insult to the person raising the complaint in question.

No it's not. The only power you have as a consumer is the money you use to pay for the product you are consuming. If you are not satisfied with the product you are consuming but continue to financially support that product then what incentive are you providing to the company that produces that product? Why should they change anything? What will they lose if they don't? Your money? Clearly they are still getting it. This is one of the reasons why I suggest to people to take a break. The bigger reason is that I genuinely think it's a good idea to pause an activity like an MMO from time to time. It helps prevent burn out. It's the only way I've been able to enjoy this game for the many years I've been playing it. If people don't care for that advice fine, but don't tell me that I'm defending some bad state of the game by offering that advice. It couldn't be further from the truth.

Also on the subject of housing. Just gotta say that it's a pretty poor thing to bring up as some tool to shoot down that break suggestion. You knew that the demo timer worked the way it. You purchased it with that knowledge in mind, unless you were part of the very original housing release (doubtful). Is it a capture tool meant to keep you subbed? Yes. Do I think it's good? Of course not. But staying subbed and continuing to pay for it doesn't help that change imo. As I said earlier, there's no incentive to change it. You are paying them all the reason needed to never change it.

[Vahlnir]

No I have to disagree. It's a terrible suggestion because it is stating the obvious and an insult to the person raising the complaint in question. Of course they can quit, if they wanted to they would've already done so. The obvious root issue is they don't want to, and they are making it known what can be improved on. Not to mention the second part of what you said is true as well.

That's fine, but the 2nd half of my post covered most of what you said here. lol

Intent is important here.

[Ath192]

No it's not. The only power you have as a consumer is the money you use to pay for the product you are consuming. If you are not satisfied with the product you are consuming but continue to financially support that product then what incentive are you providing to the company that produces that product? Why should they change anything? What will they lose if they don't? Your money? Clearly they are still getting it. This is one of the reasons why I suggest to people to take a break. The bigger reason is that I genuinely think it's a good idea to pause an activity like an MMO from time to time.

And that's fine for you to think that, but not everyone does, the reason its not good advice is not because it doesn't have its merits like you have described, it's because literally everyone knows about this "solution" so again, the fact they are complaining isnt because they have no idea they can unsub, its because theyve thought about it and decided to stay and try to enact change.

Sometimes companies, and especially this game, has listened to players, so there is even more incentive to try it.

[TowaIsBestGirl]

No it's not. The only power you have as a consumer is the money you use to pay for the product you are consuming. If you are not satisfied with the product you are consuming but continue to financially support that product then what incentive are you providing to the company that produces that product? Why should they change anything? What will they lose if they don't? Your money? Clearly they are still getting it. This is one of the reasons why I suggest to people to take a break. The bigger reason is that I genuinely think it's a good idea to pause an activity like an MMO from time to time. It helps prevent burn out. It's the only way I've been able to enjoy this game for the many years I've been playing it. If people don't care for that advice fine, but don't tell me that I'm defending some bad state of the game by offering that advice. It couldn't be further from the truth.

Also on the subject of housing. Just gotta say that it's a pretty poor thing to bring up as some tool to shoot down that break suggestion. You knew that the demo timer worked the way it. You purchased it with that knowledge in mind, unless you were part of the very original housing release (doubtful). Is it a capture tool meant to keep you subbed? Yes. Do I think it's good? Of course not. But staying subbed and continuing to pay for it doesn't help that change imo. As I said earlier, there's no incentive to change it. You are paying them all the reason needed to never change it.

I fundamentally disagree with this logic, unsubbing solves nothing and we really need to stop pretending it does. The people submitting critique want the game they're paying for to improve, they do not want to give up the ghost quit and never reap the potential future benefits for what their criticism may provide. This goes double for a forum such as this one where you have to pay or utilize a login campaign just to be able to proffer your input on here.

The reason people call "take a break" useless advice is because it doesn't actually solve the actual issue people are having in the first place. Sure, they'll save money and maybe feel less stress but that's far and away from what the issue was in the first place. If they unsub, they're not accomplishing anything. They're all but conceding, their game won't improve, and there's no magic guarantee that if and when they come back anything will have changed for the better. It's a gamble with no actual potential payout, the only way to heighten the possibility of improvement is to stay here and continue supporting their views on the matter.

[Xirean]

I fundamentally disagree with this logic, unsubbing solves nothing and we really need to stop pretending it does. The people submitting critique want the game they're paying for to improve, they do not want to give up the ghost quit and never reap the potential future benefits for what their criticism may provide. This goes double for a forum such as this one where you have to pay or utilize a login campaign just to be able to proffer your input on here.

The reason people call "take a break" useless advice is because it doesn't actually solve the actual issue people are having in the first place. Sure, they'll save money and maybe feel less stress but that's far and away from what the issue was in the first place. If they unsub, they're not accomplishing anything. They're all but conceding, their game won't improve, and there's no magic guarantee that if and when they come back anything will have changed for the better. It's a gamble with no actual potential payout, the only way to heighten the possibility of improvement is to stay here and continue supporting their views on the matter.

Why is "quitting" put in the same box as "taking a break"? Also how is the issue of "having nothing to do" not solved by playing when there is a plethora of content that the individual has not yet done?