Relic News - 6.45

[Xirean]

No I have to disagree. It's a terrible suggestion because it is stating the obvious and an insult to the person raising the complaint in question.

No it's not. The only power you have as a consumer is the money you use to pay for the product you are consuming. If you are not satisfied with the product you are consuming but continue to financially support that product then what incentive are you providing to the company that produces that product? Why should they change anything? What will they lose if they don't? Your money? Clearly they are still getting it. This is one of the reasons why I suggest to people to take a break. The bigger reason is that I genuinely think it's a good idea to pause an activity like an MMO from time to time. It helps prevent burn out. It's the only way I've been able to enjoy this game for the many years I've been playing it. If people don't care for that advice fine, but don't tell me that I'm defending some bad state of the game by offering that advice. It couldn't be further from the truth.

Also on the subject of housing. Just gotta say that it's a pretty poor thing to bring up as some tool to shoot down that break suggestion. You knew that the demo timer worked the way it. You purchased it with that knowledge in mind, unless you were part of the very original housing release (doubtful). Is it a capture tool meant to keep you subbed? Yes. Do I think it's good? Of course not. But staying subbed and continuing to pay for it doesn't help that change imo. As I said earlier, there's no incentive to change it. You are paying them all the reason needed to never change it.

[Ath192]

No it's not. The only power you have as a consumer is the money you use to pay for the product you are consuming. If you are not satisfied with the product you are consuming but continue to financially support that product then what incentive are you providing to the company that produces that product? Why should they change anything? What will they lose if they don't? Your money? Clearly they are still getting it. This is one of the reasons why I suggest to people to take a break. The bigger reason is that I genuinely think it's a good idea to pause an activity like an MMO from time to time.

And that's fine for you to think that, but not everyone does, the reason its not good advice is not because it doesn't have its merits like you have described, it's because literally everyone knows about this "solution" so again, the fact they are complaining isnt because they have no idea they can unsub, its because theyve thought about it and decided to stay and try to enact change.

Sometimes companies, and especially this game, has listened to players, so there is even more incentive to try it.

[TowaIsBestGirl]

No it's not. The only power you have as a consumer is the money you use to pay for the product you are consuming. If you are not satisfied with the product you are consuming but continue to financially support that product then what incentive are you providing to the company that produces that product? Why should they change anything? What will they lose if they don't? Your money? Clearly they are still getting it. This is one of the reasons why I suggest to people to take a break. The bigger reason is that I genuinely think it's a good idea to pause an activity like an MMO from time to time. It helps prevent burn out. It's the only way I've been able to enjoy this game for the many years I've been playing it. If people don't care for that advice fine, but don't tell me that I'm defending some bad state of the game by offering that advice. It couldn't be further from the truth.

Also on the subject of housing. Just gotta say that it's a pretty poor thing to bring up as some tool to shoot down that break suggestion. You knew that the demo timer worked the way it. You purchased it with that knowledge in mind, unless you were part of the very original housing release (doubtful). Is it a capture tool meant to keep you subbed? Yes. Do I think it's good? Of course not. But staying subbed and continuing to pay for it doesn't help that change imo. As I said earlier, there's no incentive to change it. You are paying them all the reason needed to never change it.

I fundamentally disagree with this logic, unsubbing solves nothing and we really need to stop pretending it does. The people submitting critique want the game they're paying for to improve, they do not want to give up the ghost quit and never reap the potential future benefits for what their criticism may provide. This goes double for a forum such as this one where you have to pay or utilize a login campaign just to be able to proffer your input on here.

The reason people call "take a break" useless advice is because it doesn't actually solve the actual issue people are having in the first place. Sure, they'll save money and maybe feel less stress but that's far and away from what the issue was in the first place. If they unsub, they're not accomplishing anything. They're all but conceding, their game won't improve, and there's no magic guarantee that if and when they come back anything will have changed for the better. It's a gamble with no actual potential payout, the only way to heighten the possibility of improvement is to stay here and continue supporting their views on the matter.

[Xirean]

I fundamentally disagree with this logic, unsubbing solves nothing and we really need to stop pretending it does. The people submitting critique want the game they're paying for to improve, they do not want to give up the ghost quit and never reap the potential future benefits for what their criticism may provide. This goes double for a forum such as this one where you have to pay or utilize a login campaign just to be able to proffer your input on here.

The reason people call "take a break" useless advice is because it doesn't actually solve the actual issue people are having in the first place. Sure, they'll save money and maybe feel less stress but that's far and away from what the issue was in the first place. If they unsub, they're not accomplishing anything. They're all but conceding, their game won't improve, and there's no magic guarantee that if and when they come back anything will have changed for the better. It's a gamble with no actual potential payout, the only way to heighten the possibility of improvement is to stay here and continue supporting their views on the matter.

Why is "quitting" put in the same box as "taking a break"? Also how is the issue of "having nothing to do" not solved by playing when there is a plethora of content that the individual has not yet done?

[Deo14]

Why is "quitting" put in the same box as "taking a break"? Also how is the issue of "having nothing to do" not solved by playing when there is a plethora of content that the individual has not yet done?

That's becau- you know what, I'll follow what that au ra guy said. You can't reason with certain kind of people.

[Stormpeaks]

That's becau- you know what, I'll follow what that au ra guy said. You can't reason with certain kind of people.

It really is better sometimes really, some people you just cant reason with, they will go as far lengths as to call the "10 000 desynths" achievement "content", or ocean fishing which is very niche, basically for them to accept (and even then they still wouldnt) that the game lacks content, you would need to have 100% in every single category, and even at that point they'll tell you that you can just roll an alt and do it all over again

its plain stupidity really and just defending the company because they have this weird relationship with yoshi P and the game in general that makes them want to defend it at all cost, or just pure copium on their part because they know this game is not doing as well as they make it sound like it is

[Xirean]

It really is better sometimes really, some people you just cant reason with, they will go as far lengths as to call the "10 000 desynths" achievement "content", or ocean fishing which is very niche, basically for them to accept (and even then they still wouldnt) that the game lacks content, you would need to have 100% in every single category, and even at that point they'll tell you that you can just roll an alt and do it all over again

its plain stupidity really and just defending the company because they have this weird relationship with yoshi P and the game in general that makes them want to defend it at all cost, or just pure copium on their part because they know this game is not doing as well as they make it sound like it is

I've never made any such claims. Stop projecting. You can't know what stance someone holds unless you ask them and actually have a conversation.

[aveyond-dreams]

I've never made any such claims. Stop projecting. You can't know what stance someone holds unless you ask them and actually have a conversation.

So now you understand why it isn't productive for some individuals to try and paint me as someone who hates the game? Glad we had this talk.

[TowaIsBestGirl]

Why is "quitting" put in the same box as "taking a break"? Also how is the issue of "having nothing to do" not solved by playing when there is a plethora of content that the individual has not yet done?

Because in the context in which it's so frequently recommended on this forum, from what I've seen so far at least, "taking a break" might as well be quitting. What guarantees does a player have that anything they actually enjoy will be added by the time they return? Only through sticking around and proffering your opinions and critique can such a thing be accomplished.

The second part of your inquiry may work as a defense for newer sprouts and those who play at a glacial pace, but there are plenty of players who've been loyal subscribers for over a decade and have gradually done all that there is up till this point. What of those players who do all/most content when it's current? I'm sure it hasn't escaped you that they exist, but for the purposes of making my statement I've no choice but to say that these types of players are rather common.

The issue is people treating the "take a break" advice as some sort of catch-all silver bullet that solves and excuses all issues players might have with the game and it's content as it is but that simply isn't the case, I'm afraid. I may very well be wrong about this, but based on my observations and lurking so far I would argue that the "take a break" argument is being offered as benign but instead it reads like "The game is fine, mostly because I personally enjoy it. There's nothing to critique and instead of clogging my space take your gripes and leave the forums with them."

I can, of course, only speak for myself. However, that's what I've been witnessing occur.

[RyuDragnier]

Because in the context in which it's so frequently recommended on this forum, from what I've seen so far at least, "taking a break" might as well be quitting. What guarantees does a player have that anything they actually enjoy will be added by the time they return? Only through sticking around and proffering your opinions and critique can such a thing be accomplished.

Paying for an MMO you don't enjoy is you wasting money. And the more you pay, the more SE thinks it's doing something right. If the game does not add anything you enjoy, then just don't resub. Hell, I quit ESO and stopped paying ESO Plus when they were adding the Greymoor expansion because I DESPISE Skyrim, and haven't really gone back since the stuff they have released has been pretty subpar (I watch my friend play from time to time, he's on the verge of quitting himself).